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    I have to say something about all this, I'm not understanding why pageants get such a bad rap when the cheerleader groups and dance groups are just as bad! We were at an event this past weekend and one of those dance groups was getting ready to perform, those little girls could give these pageant girls a run for their money when it came to glam wear. They all had a ton of makeup on, skimpy little bootie shorts, and midriff bearing halter tops....they couldn't have been older than 8 with some as young as 5.

    So to be fair, it is not just the pageant world that needs to dial it back and remember that these are little girls. I don't have an issue with them doing the hair and makeup, I have an issue with them exposing themselves because there are some sick people in the world and I don't think they should open it up to this.

    Finally....a child that is 5 is NOT asking to reveal so much skin. She would rather wear a princess dress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harmony2000 View Post
    I have to say something about all this, I'm not understanding why pageants get such a bad rap when the cheerleader groups and dance groups are just as bad! We were at an event this past weekend and one of those dance groups was getting ready to perform, those little girls could give these pageant girls a run for their money when it came to glam wear. They all had a ton of makeup on, skimpy little bootie shorts, and midriff bearing halter tops....they couldn't have been older than 8 with some as young as 5.

    So to be fair, it is not just the pageant world that needs to dial it back and remember that these are little girls. I don't have an issue with them doing the hair and makeup, I have an issue with them exposing themselves because there are some sick people in the world and I don't think they should open it up to this.

    Finally....a child that is 5 is NOT asking to reveal so much skin. She would rather wear a princess dress.
    I agree with you 100%. People dress their little, innocent children like hootchies and teach them to act provocatively, then wonder why the girls come home pregnant at 14. I've watched a few minutes of this show here and there (sort of like watching a train wreck), and am horrified that child pornographers and pedophiles can watch this on the public airwaves. I, too, agree with an earlier poster who is reminded of the pictures and videos of JonBenet Ramsey whenever I see these children. I was staying in a hotel recently that was holding a children's pageant, and was in the elevator with a couple of them and their mothers. There was no "mommy and daughter having fun" feeling - it was more like an employer/employee relationship, and it was just really odd.

    It's way too early in the morning for me to be this riled up about people I don't know!!!!

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    Because I own a bridal shop (also formals,) I see a lot of pageant people. Since I deal in mostly missy/junior sizes, I don't have much experience with the clothes for the younger girls. However, one mom did tell me a story that she and I both found very sad. At one pageant she saw a girl in the 11 year old division wearing a dress that was strapless, low cut and with a slit all the way up the girl's thigh. We agreed that the saddest part of it was that a parent must have gotten that inappropriate dress for their little girl to wear.
    I don't have a problem with pageants for teens and older - they aren't my thing and I'm glad my daughters weren't into that scene, but I don't find them morally reprehensable. I know some pageant teens who are genuinely nice people and have taken the opportunity to use their exposure to do good things like charity work. What I see as the "pimping out" of little girls is another thing all together. Entering a county pageant for the experience one time shouldn't be a big deal but many of these people - like Chloe's mom - consider it a job, get consumed by it and seem to lose their sense of right and wrong and take away their child's normal childhood in the process.

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    My take on why it is worse than dancewear is that a pageant is judging a girl entirely on her looks and demeanor. I find that to be such a shallow way to look at the world. I don't want my kids to think their worth is based on their looks so I do find the entire pageant enterprise to be shameful. Girls are not just a sum of white teeth + big hair + sassy walk.

    Dancewear may look skin tight and skimpy, but it needs to be non-restrictive for dance so there is at least some reason for it. Many times what looks bare from afar is some mesh stretch material in a flesh color. I'm not a fan of how revealing dance costumes get either, but at least those kids are exhibiting a skill they have worked hard on in hours and hours of practice. Most kids would have a dance troupe or something to belong to, not just being out by themselves while their mom mimics their moves in the audience one-on-one.

    Look at the most recent episode, where Sarynity (?) broke down crying when they weren't even calling her age group. I don't see that happening at meets in the sport my daughter is involved in, and I think the reason is that each competitor knows they went out and did as best they could, and if they got last place it will be because they missed a jump or traveled on their spin or even just that the competition was really stiff that day. The point is they have concrete things to point to because they put in the work and they know what they did well and what they didn't do so well on. In a pageant, what is there to point to - not smiling enough? Not having the prettiest dress? Not being pretty enough? I think to a kid it must feel like you're being judged for who you are, and of course it would feel soul-crushing to think you were judged and came in last place.
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    I always thought of my role as a Mom was to protect my young child from hurt; physical & emotional. When I see these 4 & 5 year old children crying because they didn't win a crown it breaks my heart. I just don't get the logic to setting your child up to the possibility of hurt...for what...a $5 cheapie crown? I guess I am more the type that would go to the Dollar Store, buy a crown & pretend pagent with my child. Then again I have boys not girls.
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    I see the dancers and cheerleaders, the peewee footballers and soccer kids, also breaking down in tears. Heck my son falls apart when he doesn't get his next belt in karate or because he didn't do his best at a swim meet. I think on the one hand its a good thing, teaches them that even if we try our hardest and do our best....we won't always win.

    But...and huge but here, there is a difference between that and the pageant kids (and yes many of the for-pay-dance/cheerleading groups). They take it to a level that is just mind boggling, perhaps it is different in other parts of the country. But here? I just have to shake my head at the insanity. Many times I feel like taking the parents, shaking them and yelling at them "leave the babies alone! Let them be kids, it's such a fleeting thing. Back the heck off and stop trying to achieve YOUR dreams and live YOUR life through those kids."

    Sheesh.

    However, coming from the south where football, cheerleading, and pageants is almost as revered as Sunday church services I do have a slightly different take on it all. I miss the days of kids having to try out and compete for these things, it meant more. I also miss the days where the little girls weren't all tarted out and made to look like 5 year old hookers. I don't have a problem with pageants, as a whole, some may see it as pointless but I view for-pay-dance groups and cheerleading squads the same way (pointless). So to each their own. I have a problem with parents trying to live their dreams through their children and seeing children being pushed into things they clearly don't want to do (and the skimpy outfits, belly baring and bootie shorts do not belong on a kid regardless of what they are doing in my opinion).

    The screaming, the "stop that", the "it hurts", the "I don't want to do that" is not just the child being difficult. Perhaps the parents should listen.

    I don't think anybody has mentioned MaKenzie's mother and how she said that they were taking a break from the pageant world or the fact that she shut the bathroom door and clearly tried to parent. I think her problem is that she is hyper-aware of being on camera and scared of looking bad. I think it was a good move on her part (if she meant it) to give her daughter a break from it all and see if she wants to do it later on when she is older.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hepcat View Post
    My take on why it is worse than dancewear is that a pageant is judging a girl entirely on her looks and demeanor. I find that to be such a shallow way to look at the world. I don't want my kids to think their worth is based on their looks so I do find the entire pageant enterprise to be shameful. Girls are not just a sum of white teeth + big hair + sassy walk.

    Dancewear may look skin tight and skimpy, but it needs to be non-restrictive for dance so there is at least some reason for it. Many times what looks bare from afar is some mesh stretch material in a flesh color. I'm not a fan of how revealing dance costumes get either, but at least those kids are exhibiting a skill they have worked hard on in hours and hours of practice. Most kids would have a dance troupe or something to belong to, not just being out by themselves while their mom mimics their moves in the audience one-on-one.

    Look at the most recent episode, where Sarynity (?) broke down crying when they weren't even calling her age group. I don't see that happening at meets in the sport my daughter is involved in, and I think the reason is that each competitor knows they went out and did as best they could, and if they got last place it will be because they missed a jump or traveled on their spin or even just that the competition was really stiff that day. The point is they have concrete things to point to because they put in the work and they know what they did well and what they didn't do so well on. In a pageant, what is there to point to - not smiling enough? Not having the prettiest dress? Not being pretty enough? I think to a kid it must feel like you're being judged for who you are, and of course it would feel soul-crushing to think you were judged and came in last place.
    In complete agreement.

    I'm fine with kids being in competitive environments. Life is all about competitions, like it or not, and kids need to learn that they have to earn rewards. Yeah, there's gonna be tears sometimes when they don't get a ribbon or a medal, but experiencing the downers in life makes you appreciate the highs. As parents, it's how you handle your kids' disappointments. It's not about avoiding them. Am I proud of my kids when they win something? Damn straight, but I realized that I was even prouder of them for handling their losses like winners. My problem with these pageants is that they're rewarding children for doing nothing except putting up with eyebrow waxes. I don't get how a parent can be okay with putting their child in a position where they're competing to be "most beautiful". That's not something you strive for.
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    I see a slight difference between pagents & cheerleading. I don't have daughters so I can't honestly say but are 4 year olds in cheerleading? I would doubt 11 week olds are.

    These pagents, especially the glitz ones seem to be based an perceived beauty. Personally I think all children are beautiful. As a Mom I would not imagine putting my young or even pree-teen daughter in a revealing costume, like Daisy Duke, & tell her to prance around stage.

    The make-up, big air, the fake teeth & tans are just too too much. If your child is screaming NO or YOU'RE HURTING ME....are you doing this for your daughter or to live through them.

    Eden, like Mckenzie, is a beautiful child but I don't see anything in them that makes them any more beautiful that any other 5 or 6 year old child. IMHO the Mom's want to be more like Dina Lohan that the girls want to be like Lindsey Lohan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PA Snow Bunny View Post
    I see a slight difference between pagents & cheerleading. I don't have daughters so I can't honestly say but are 4 year olds in cheerleading? I would doubt 11 week olds are.

    These pagents, especially the glitz ones seem to be based an perceived beauty. Personally I think all children are beautiful. As a Mom I would not imagine putting my young or even pree-teen daughter in a revealing costume, like Daisy Duke, & tell her to prance around stage.

    The make-up, big air, the fake teeth & tans are just too too much. If your child is screaming NO or YOU'RE HURTING ME....are you doing this for your daughter or to live through them.

    Eden, like Mckenzie, is a beautiful child but I don't see anything in them that makes them any more beautiful that any other 5 or 6 year old child. IMHO the Mom's want to be more like Dina Lohan that the girls want to be like Lindsey Lohan.
    ITA with your post.....and that Daisy Duke outfit Chloe (sp?) wore was a pedophile's dream. She even said she was wearing "booty" shorts.

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    Actually, a local minor league baseball team did have "junior cheerleaders," who were, I think, between six and ten years of age. However, they were only at a few games per season, and they only did very short, simple routines that even the five year olds could follow. Moreover, their outfits were completely age appropriate--they had on outfits that were more what cheerleaders wore in the forties and fifties: big, full circle skirts that went to mid-calf with matching tops, anklets, and saddle shoes or tennis shoes (I can't remember which). They weren't at all provocative costumes; the typical response to them was more "aww" than "eww."

    I only remember this because one of my colleagues little girls was a "junior cheerleader," which he rolled his eyes about, because he thought it was rather silly. But it did get the family free game tickets for those few games at which the girls participated, so it ended up being more of a family evening out than anything else.

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