It seems to me that Abi speaks English well enough to use it to spew an unending stream of venom. She wouldn't even listen to Denise's well thought out suggestion as to how Abi could learn to help herself become more well liked.
Denise would be my choice for fan favorite by far.
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
And I really like that what's going to happen from week to week isn't so obvious. It makes the game much more intriguing.
I'm not sure I agree with this. Both Skupin and Lisa were feeling ostracised from that core three and it wasn't just because of Abi. I would have to go back over it, but I think at some point (?) Pete and Artis could have tried to firm up something with Lisa and Skupin and when the time was right, lose Abi.Originally Posted by Midol
I sense they are backing off from her because they don't want to be viewed negatively.
I totally agree that you have to be really careful who you align with but I believe there have been a number of times that alliances made early (REAL early) have gone far, and even won... so I can see why people get tempted.
And I agree with SugarMama, I think Pete is stinky. Just like Artis, I never liked him and have no reason to now.
When Denise says she wouldn't take the easy way out, she hints to others not to do the same thing.
It's actually kind of easy for her to say, as it would be for Malcolm, because they are honestly in such a great position to win the end game.
Naturally, it's much harder for players like Carter, Skupin, and Lisa, who, if they didn't take the easy way out by taking Abi are faced with the possibility of sitting next to Malcolm or Denise... and losing the game as a result.
Sneaky Denise. I like her a lot. She probably cost herself Abi's vote tonight, but gained so much with the other players (like RC). She's REALLY smart!
At this point, the only one who I think could take a run at Malcolm and Denise in the finals would be Penner because he's a great talker and has battled great odds, or as a long shot, Lisa I guess, simply because of the big move she made and that she has her own underdog story. But Penner has a shot, I think.
If Carter wins this, I'll eat Penner's hat.
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I'm loving how unpredictable this season has been as well...easily the most exciting season since Nicaragua in my opinion.
Originally Posted by TildenI agree with both of you. It's really a season of great stories and underdogs overcoming the odds. It just makes watching so enjoyable!Originally Posted by kev89
Malcolm and Denise: their tribe was decimated, they got split up, the got back together and are making a run of it. GREAT story.
Lisa: Snubbed by her tribe from the very beginning. First suggested vote out, and having a rough time of playing the game. Somehow, she prevailed.
Skupin: Accident prone, disliked by his tribe for being a doofus, but quietly playing his own game.
Penner: Has had EVERYone vote for him, has been the target numerous times, but won exactly the right immunity challenge and continues to work his way forward. I love Penner's story.
The only ones who aren't underdogs are Abi (for obvious reasons), and Carter.
I know most want Malcolm or Denise to win, but I'm actually rooting for Penner most, despite he's a returnee. Next, it would be Lisa for me, then Malcolm and Denise.
Unless there was a lot not shown at Tribal Council I don't get why Pete said the other players were brutal with Abi Maria. I didn't see anyone being brutal with her. I wish I had been at Tribal Council because I would like to have been brutally honest with her if I could have gotten in a word. I don't believe a lot of what Abi Maria says about not knowing folks were upset with her? No one is that clueless at her age unless they are missing half their brain. She knows enough to stick it to someone; if she is that aware then she knows exactly what she is doing.
No goat killers on my island.
I think Denise (and a little bit of Lisa) telling Abi the truth was plenty. Regardless if English is her second language, Abi can pick up social cues that are universal. The fact too she kept interrupting Denise who really is trying to help her shows she knows she's not behaving properly but can't accept it.
And trying to help someone is not "brutal" - unless the person perceives it as such. But it's up to Abi if she chooses to be have this way.
That said, on the ESL bit - nope I don't buy it as an excuse. I had roommates from South Korea and Taiwan who had a weaker concept of English than Abi... BUT would know and tell me if I was acting a bit odd or ask me if I could help them with either American social cues or words they didn't understand. Will say my drawing skills improved because I had to draw at least 50 different words when the universal translator couldn't understand what I was saying. Abi I'd been demanding a room change quite honestly.