Not to mention, Fairplay is persona non grata in Survivorland. Probst hates him personally, I believe. There is a better chance of Richard Hatch playing from prison than of Fairplay coming back.
My issue with Natalie is that she needs to learn from this because she is young and she did listen to much to one person, even letting him craft her final statement to the jury, knowing he was her main competition for the money. There was no point in listening to Rob anymore at that point, as she was already in the final. She couldn't get any further with his help, and at that point, she should have realized that it was every person for himself/herself If her youth and inexperience prevented her from seeing that, she needs to learn from it and not make the same kind of mistake in the future--even Rob admitted to the camera, if not to Natalie, that he was not giving her good advice at that point. He was telling her to say what would help him win. I also don't really think it's irrelevant that it was in his best interests for her to get to the finals. If it weren't, he'd never have helped her get to the finals, and I'm sure Rob would readily admit that, since he's all about the game. He was using her and she allowed it, right up until the end, because she kept blindly trusting him past the point when she should have. Now that she's done that, she needs to figure out that it's not in her best interest to latch onto people in order to succeed and figure out how to do that on her own.
I would agree that perhaps it would be best to up the age limit on Survivor to at least 20, so that people will have been out of high school for a couple of years. Doesn't guarantee they'd have lived on their own by then, but it increases the possibility that they've learned to be a bit more independent and a bit less naive.
Others have mentioned that Rob led Grant to believe that they were working together to find the immunity idol when he'd already found it. I think he even switched clues, gave Grant the now useless clue he'd used to find it, and threw the other one away--and then laughed about it. Grant may have taken that personally, because it did make him look foolish for trusting Rob, and I'm not really sure what the point in switching the clues was (unless I'm misremembering and Rob hadn't found the idol yet--either way, he was misleading Grant and laughing about it). However, we also don't know exactly what Grant was going through or what the texts/e-mails looked like that they were exchanging. Rob may have ribbed him about making him look foolish, and Grant may not have liked that. Or Grant may just be tired of the whole Survivor thing at this point, is sick of talking about it, and finds that outside of the game, he and Rob just don't have that much in common. There are a ton of reasons why Grant may not be interested in pursuing a friendship with Rob, and since Rob said he was in the game to win a million dollars, I think he just needs to accept that he might have done things in order to accomplish that goal that may have rubbed others the wrong way. Or that others just aren't that interested in continuing on in the Survivor spotlight and would like to get back to their normal lives and the people in them.
If I were Grant, I'd just want Rob to stop talking about how he can't get me to talk to him anymore. If he wanted to address the issue privately, fine, but enough with the on-air conversation about it. It really isn't anyone's business but Grant and Rob what their future interaction is, if there is any. Incidentally, do they live anywhere near each other? How often would they really see each other enough to pursue a genuine friendship anyway?
Here's a link to the interview if you want to read it for yourself: 'Survivor: Redemption Island:' Matt admits he wasn
Did anyone else think that the acceptance of "the lawyer's" proposal was rather shaky? It didn't seem to me that she really wanted to say 'yes', but was under pressure from the very public setting. It's usually not a good idea to pull a stunt like that, I don't think.
Somebody please point me to where people have discussed this. I'm sure it's been done.
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I agree that Rob should just leave the Grant situation alone, as he and Grant apparently do not think alike. I read an interview where Rob said he expected if anyone would understand the adage "it's a game" it would be NFLer Grant, but apparently not. And yes, until and unless Grant speaks on the subject, we don't know the real reason for Grant's shift in attitude toward Rob, but I tend to believe he feels betrayed and made a fool of by someone he thought was his "equal partner" and is still smarting from it, especially having to hear the fallout every week from his crowd. Maybe he'll get over it in time. The Survivor alums do seem to get together for reunions every now and then, so I doubt the fact that Rob isn't "geographically attractive" has anything to do with Grant's behavior. (Grant is from CA, I believe, Rob lives in FL.)
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You know, I am actually surprised Phillip didn't get more votes. I thought it was more impressive that he was in the final 3 than Rob being in the final 3.
The few times I saw him truly dense were revealing the HII to four potential (three active - one RI) players, and then frittering away said idol on another player who didn't need it. If he had played smarter, he'd lasted a teensy bit longer and may not have had to play the RI challenge that lead to his ouster.
I am one of the oddballs who also liked Phillip. He had some huge issues sure (I still think the crazy - racist allegory is a bit too much), but he also was quite funny. I DO think however that the producers made him wear his buff as a loincloth when he was in his pink britches and probably led him to the shorts. If they did, it's the ONLY time I didn't mind them butting into the game. In fact, I'd rather them butt in instead of seeing outlines of things that you shouldn't except in the bedroom.