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    Re: 5/8 Survivor 26 Caramoan Show Thread **West Coast Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by Duckyface View Post
    Some random thoughts on this episode and the discussion here:

    I liked Brenda, this time (not the last) but think Dawn has a much greater responsibility to her children to try to win the money than she does to Brenda, who she's known 35 days. Why would she owe Brenda more than she owes her kids? Dawn seems crushed that she didn't win the money last time to help her kids. Of course she's going to try to win it. Why would she even be on the show if she wasn't going to try to win?

    I think it was extremely cruel to have the loved ones party where Brenda and Dawn could see, hear and watch it when they could easily have had it elsewhere. Talk about cruel producers. I think it was also cruel of them to wave and laugh at Brenda and Dawn during the party. What torture that must have been for both of them.

    Dawn comforted Brenda on several occasions that we saw, and who knows how many that we didn't see, it wasn't a one way street with Brenda giving and Dawn taking.

    Brenda choose to let the others have their loved ones as a strategic decision, thinking it would get her votes, not because she's nice. She really was in a no win situation in this, as others have said. People upset at her either way, but she choose the way where she'd likely get more votes out of the jury, instead of the way rewarding Dawn for being such a good friend to her. If we're talking ethics was that an ethical decision?

    I think if Brenda had made the deal with Dawn at the immunity challenge Dawn would have felt a responsibility to not vote for her, but since she insisted on trying to win the immunity and wouldn't make a deal it made it easier for Dawn to vote for her. (Who knows about editing but from what we saw I don't think Brenda gave it away as she said she did)

    Didn't three people vote for Brenda? I don't get why people are acting like Dawn did this alone. It wasn't even her idea. I also don't understand the "it was ok for Brenda to do it, but not for other people" line of thinking. Because you like Brenda that means she doesn't have to play by the same rules? Isn't that part of what's wrong with society. Different rules for different people depending on who's favored?

    I remember Brenda's big grin when it became clear that Andrea was going to be voted out. She certainly didn't mind a blindside of someone who had made a sacrifice for the tribe then.

    I don't understand why people think others should just sit passively and let someone else win. I really don't think Brenda went into this game thinking "if I'm nice enough everyone else will just give me a million dollars instead of trying to win it themselves."

    Dawn and Cochran have been in a tight alliance since the beginning so it seems clear that when Brenda started talking about voting him out, if you want to talk ethics, Dawn had a responsibility to Cochran over Brenda.

    I can't help but wonder if any of the people upset at Dawn were among the almost universal majority who loved Boston Rob, and others in the game, even though he and they many times blindsided people who trusted him.
    Great points! I am not upset at Dawn for doing what she did tonight...it was good strategy and protected Cochran who did the same for her and Brenda last week with Andrea...however, her constant crying is annoying. I did still feel bad for Brenda as it sucked, but, that is the game and there can only be one winner. And I am one of those people who loved Boston Rob!...and Cochran! I always really enjoy those players who love and know the game and play to win. I also thougth that was really cruel of the producers to have that reward right in front of Brenda and Dawn where they could hear everyone and no doubt smell that BBQ. I don't remember them ever doing that before and wonder if that is a sign of things to come to get that emotional response from exhausted and hungry people and really stir things up in the last few days of the game?
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    Re: 5/8 Survivor 26 Caramoan Show Thread **West Coast Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by Midol View Post
    Great points! I am not upset at Dawn for doing what she did tonight...it was good strategy and protected Cochran who did the same for her and Brenda last week with Andrea...however, her constant crying is annoying. I did still feel bad for Brenda as it sucked, but, that is the game and there can only be one winner. And I am one of those people who loved Boston Rob!...and Cochran! I always really enjoy those players who love and know the game and play to win. I also thougth that was really cruel of the producers to have that reward right in front of Brenda and Dawn where they could hear everyone and no doubt smell that BBQ. I don't remember them ever doing that before and wonder if that is a sign of things to come to get that emotional response from exhausted and hungry people and really stir things up in the last few days of the game?
    I agree about the constant crying. It's just annoying. I do wonder if things are edited to play it up a bit, but she seems to be having a difficult time. I get the feeling she really felt guilty about not winning the money for her kids last time and feels a lot of pressure as a Mom who loves them to win for them.

    I also think the social aspects of the game are harder than we imagine day to day. The kind of move she had to make tonight and with Andrea, etc doesn't seem easy for her and really messes with her emotions. We hear her talking to herself and others about the pressure she feels to make the right and strategic decision this time because she didn't last time. She obviously doesn't want to face her kids without knowing she did the absolute best she could to win. I'm sure she'll be weeping about Brenda this Sunday. But Dawn, try to stop with all the weeping please. I know you haven't slept or eaten and it's a high pressure situation, and perhaps peri menopause in the mix, we get it, but we don't want to watch you lose it again.
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    Re: 5/8 Survivor 26 Caramoan Show Thread **West Coast Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by Midol View Post
    With respect...how can it be strategy for Brenda to do it, but immoral if the others do? I get that it was unexpected for her and she was truly upset. I felt bad for her, but, that does not change the fact that she was targeting Cochran...who basically saved her last week and he was protecting himself this week. Also, these people will be seeing their families in a few days...they need rice and beans to survive now. The producers play up the emotional aspect of the family visits and it can be truly heartwrenching at times, however, food is what gets them through and helps them win challenges. They can do without the family visit for a few days, but they can't do without food. This is whyY this is the challenge that a smart player never wins...it always makes you enemies no matter what you do.
    With due respect I was echoing what others said about this all being about strategy by Cochran, Dawn and Sherri. I didn't mean I approved of what any of them did to Andrea either. I just found this far worse. Yes, they will all see their famlies in a few days, but I didn't see one of them react the same way regarding the rice and beans as they did with getting to see their family. Sherri's reaction comes to mind as well as Dawn who was crying away until Brenda calmed her down. Brenda has been kind to Dawn on more than one occassion like her missing teeth. Dawn is playing both sides and not playing her own game by any means. She was going to go where she felt she had the best shot. If it turns out that Cochran, Dawn and Sherri are the F3 what will Dawn or Sherri ever be able to say to the jury to make them vote to give them a million dollars. For Cochran he has more to say, but I just didn't expect him to disapoint me as he did tonight.

    Everyone has their own opinion and this is mine. I find them all selfish, cruel people. I just don't have any respect for any of them that wrote Brenda's name down. Cochran may have saved her last week and Brenda was not targeting him this week. It then comes to a point where they have to go against each other. Brenda was not targeting him until the following week and she said it was going to be very hard. I just find it funny that people would rather have it be Brenda's fault after an act of kindness on her part. Again, jmho.
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    This is Survivor- you need to check your 'morals' at the door when you sign up. I'm sure in 'real life' these people are not backstabbing, horrible, insensitive people. They went on the show to win a million dollars and that is what they are trying to do. They are down to the final 5 and they can smell how close they are to winning and they will do whatever they need to do to save their own butts and I'm perfectly fine with that. Money has always been a struggle for my family and if I were in the same position as these people I would fight tooth and nail to get it- not because I am a money hungry person, but because it would mean I could breathe a little easier, not look in the checkbook if we need milk or gas, not sorry about how I'm going to fix my car if it breaks or how I'm going to put my kids through college. Looking out for your family doesn't make you a terrible person and if 15 virtual strangers never spoke to me again because I pulled some big game move I would be ok with that because I would know I had done the right thing for my family.

    ETA: And Brenda will be fine by the Reunion Show, laughing and joking with the others. I'm sure a few hours after her boot she recognized it was good game play. Andrea did the second it happened- it's just going to take Brenda a little longer to realize it.

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    Re: 5/8 Survivor 26 Caramoan Show Thread **West Coast Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by jaceegirl
    f it turns out that Cochran, Dawn and Sherri are the F3 what will Dawn or Sherri ever be able to say to the jury to make them vote to give them a million dollars.
    Well, for one, Dawn could argue that without her, Cochran never would have had the information that he was able to get. It's Dawn's relationship with the other players that have them giving her HER (them) information. Without her, Cochran doesn't really know what is happening! That's a fairly strong argument.


    I would like to say about Dawn that she has had a dirty job in the Cochran/Dawn pairing. Time after time they have come to Dawn to make a move in the game. When she goes to Cochran, he cleverly makes a counter move to keep himself in control. It is really brilliant game playing on the part of Cochran, but it is all useless without Dawn. He made a perfect pairing for himself here. In a lot of ways I can understand her constant crying... a lot of her game relies on relationships, and to stick with Cochran she feels herself that she has used the information that people have given her in their trust. Here's the key, though. Every time a person has gone to Dawn, it never works out for them. As game players, why didn't they LEARN that? It's on them to see that going to Dawn doesn't work out like it should.

    In any case, I think Dawn could make a great case for herself. Cochran can too. Erik can make an interesting case. Eddie will get a bro vote. Hold up bro, I'll vote for you, bro! Let's bro down together!

    Sherri. Meh.

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    Re: 5/8 Survivor 26 Caramoan Show Thread **West Coast Spoilers**

    I am sitting here wondering this morning why it was so immoral to vote Brenda off the island? What made her off limits? Is it because she gave up the family visit? Is it because we saw her be nice a couple of times?

    I admit that I am not a Survivor expert so maybe I just don't know how things work. I did see Brenda before and she was not the nicest person around then though I did not despise her like I heard some others did at the time. How come Brenda was off limits but no one else was? Why was it okay that she voted others off and that wasn't immoral even though she did not tell them ahead of time that they were going to be blindsided? What would have been the moral move? I just don't get why Brenda should have been treated differently or more special than anyone else.
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    Re: 5/8 Survivor 26 Caramoan Show Thread **West Coast Spoilers**

    Agreed ilja. For everyone upset about Brenda being voted off, they should watch Brenda's Ponderosa video. She's not angry and she understands it's a game. Phillip is the only one mad at Dawn, though I'm not sure what Dawn did to Phillip? lol

    Kudos to Brenda for her calm and rational demeanour after being voted out. I think the tears were a knee jerk reaction to the shock of being voted out. She just didn't see it coming. Plus, she wanted to win!
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    I hated the blindside last night. That being said, I understand it from Cochran's standpoint. It was the perfect time to strike where the focus would be more on Dawn's possible bag of sour apples for not going on reward and the target would be more firmly on her for her obvious betrayal than it will be on him. She's the one that was placed in the position in that alliance of two to build the close relationships and report back. They will see her as the one who betrayed them the most.

    I think it was a bad choice for Dawn to blindside Brenda this week. It's like she doesn't realize she can't win against Cochran. She is the one who comes off as codependent out there, with her tears and her need for partial denture retrieval she seems to have needed the support of the others to make it out there. Even if it was a part of her strategy to appear vulnerable the jury will likely still reward the person who seemed to stand mainly on their own. She should have waited until next tribal and really thought out the next vote. Eventually she had to decide a good time to seperate herself from Cochran if she wanted a chance to win. Dawn just doesn't see it. She's a fool if she's okay with sitting next to him at final tribal.

    The reward was cruel. From the decision to the fact that they had to sit and watch them. If the producers were going to be so cruel why not go all the way and have the decision leaving only the person you chose initially to go with you on the island alone and have everyone else, including the winner, go along? Then Dawn would have cried herself to the point of near drowning. Would have also made the winner look both good and bad.

    At this point I don't like many of the people left behind. I like Erik but he doesn't have the best argument for final tribal. Poor clueless Eddie, he's going to wake up one day and realize that he's been on an island for over a month and doesn't even know how he got there. It's like he came in on a seperate boat that was just drifting by and decided to join that nice group of strangers for a little game. I like that one lone wolf from the underdog alliance is left behind but at this point everyone knows he's just along for the ride. He has not been included in a plan. At times he wasn't even included in the plans in his own alliance.

    The next to go have to be Erik and Eddie. They were excluded from the last blindside and would receive far less venom from the jury if they stayed around. Those two have to go in order for the other three to have a chance with a possibly bitter jury. I personally don't think they will be that bitter, but you never know and they can't afford to take a chance. Eddie and Erik better pull out a miracle if they want to stick around.
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    Re: 5/8 Survivor 26 Caramoan Show Thread **West Coast Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by Florimel View Post
    I had heard that Dawn engineered Brenda's ouster. Sorry, but Dawn is vermin to me. Aside from everything else. I remember when Brenda was helping her through whatever was devastating Dawn with her teeth a few weeks back. Way to treat someone who has always supported you. I'm not among those who believe that anything is okay if you're doing it for money. I think this is not the only effect of Dawn backstabbing Brenda that we will see. Just my opinion, but I'll stick to it.
    This is the gist of why it was not ok for Dawn to vote for Brenda last night. It was the right strategic move, and I'm ok with Sherri and Cochran doing it, but not Dawn. Dawn has been the most emotionally needy contestant to ever get this far in Survivor. It isn't just that Brenda is a really likable person. It's the degree to which people, like Brenda, kept Dawn from having a complete breakdown.

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    Re: 5/8 Survivor 26 Caramoan Show Thread **West Coast Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by Maybaybie View Post
    10 pages and not one mention of the preview for the finale where it looks as if someone might be taken out of the game. Of course, those previews are always misleading, but Jeff was there bending down over someone, so it should be interesting!
    I watched the preview again and that is how it seems to be edited. I hope it's not the case because I want this group of 5 to battle it out. If one goes home it might even be at the F4 stage, which would really be a shame.

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