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    well, I know this is a far cry form being a teacher, but I'm a substitute. I would never say or do anything in front of those kids that I wouldn't do or say in front of my own. In the class or out of the class.

    I would say if your mom is tired of being responsible for children, maybe being the adult in charge of children upto 8 hours a day is not the job fer her anymore.

    My kids saw Heidi on TV. They think she is skanky. They told me they would completely lose any respect they may have had for a teacher if they acted the way she idi (not just the stripping, but throught the show). Once a student loses respect for a teacher their ability to be a good teacher hits the floor.
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    First off, my parents were teachers. My father was well respected teacher especially and happened to drive home drunk one night, crashed and killed himself as a result. Thank God no one else was involved due to his stupidity.

    He was a good father and a good teacher. The school named an award after him, posthumously, and it sickened me. I was embarrassed that a school award would be given to some kid when my father would be most well known in the community for being a drunk driver than a good teacher.

    With that said, I do think ALL teachers bear some sort of responsibility for their actions. My parents included. My mother watches Survivor with me each week and is disgusted that someone like her would pass on her attitudes to young girls. She, like your mother Jill, has her fair share of problems with parents.. but she does know that she is a role model and anyone around impressionable girls should be at least a little aware of their actions.

    My reasonings for not thinking Heidi would be a good teacher, if I was a parent has little to do with her stripping for nothing and more to do with her attitudes about bodies.

    Would she be an adequate math teacher? Sure.
    A gym teacher? No. Not with those attitudes.

    For stripping for peanut butter, I think she's just a little skank. It has nothing to do with her teaching abilities.. her attitudes do.
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    I don't think anyone would dispute the assertion that parents are responsible for the manner in which their children are raised. But I don't think it's asking too much to expect that a teacher's public behavior not undermine the efforts of the parents. That's very different from asking a teacher to serve as a substitute parent.
    When you're ten years old and a car drives by and splashes a puddle of water all over you, it's hard to decide if you should go to school like that or try to go home and change and probably be late. So while he was trying to decide, I drove by and splashed him again. - Jack Handey

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    Originally posted by Jill
    NO ONE is responsible for raising your children, except for you. I think that we have waaaaaaaaay too much reliance on "parenting by proximity" and not enough good parenting at home.
    This is a remarkable comment for you Jill considering other topics discussed in the past where you felt folks were not responsible for their actions directly harmful to children.

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    I agree with that statement as it is. However that doesn't mean that the employer or community cannot hold their employees or civil servants to a reasonable standard of behavior.

    Heidi's actions and demonstrated attitude are not really healthy for young people in my opinion, but I also realize that she is on a show, and perhaps she is actually a wonderful teacher... I doubt it... but you never know.

    If she gets canned, she can go for a lawyer all she wants, I doubt she would win.
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    Originally posted by Paulie
    I don't think anyone would dispute the assertion that parents are responsible for the manner in which their children are raised. But I don't think it's asking too much to expect that a teacher's public behavior not undermine the efforts of the parents. That's very different from asking a teacher to serve as a substitute parent.
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    Originally posted by Jill
    No it isn't, John. It's what you get if you don't raise your own kids. Like I said, if you don't want them exposed to anything you don't agree with, homeschool them and keep them home until they're 18.
    I know you're being facetious here, Jill, but as two people without children, let's look at this statement logically.

    You cannot possibly be saying that teachers only have to be be a role model for children for the one hour per day that they're in front of a child, and as soon as they're out of the childrens' sight, anything they want to do is just fine? That's completely ludicrous.

    If I had children, I wouldn't want their teachers, for example, smoking pot, collecting porn, driving drunk, living with a cult, or stripping naked on television in front of 18 million viewers for a plate of peanut butter. I couldn't care less about the fact that my children didn't see it. It's a standard I expect from a teacher, and if someone doesn't think they can meet those high standards, they damn well better choose another line of work.

    You wanna strip naked in front of 18 million people, you better be a bartender at Belly's, where it doesn't matter.

    And entrusting your children to teachers and daycare providers is not in ANY WAY a lack of parental responsibility. For you to insinuate as much pegs down my respect for your opinions.

    There are bad, irresponsible parents out there - I won't argue that fact. People who send their children to school aren't irresponsible by default...And THAT is why I claimed "bullshit".

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    Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX
    This is a remarkable comment for you Jill considering other topics discussed in the past where you felt folks were not responsible for their actions directly harmful to children.
    Huh? I think a gym teacher's personal life and the actions of a mentally ill homeless woman are totally different issues.

    Kids can easily gain access to this site, which contains at times bad language and discussion of sexual issues and innuendo. Should all who participate lose their jobs because some material here might be considered objectionable by some? Right to free speech and all that. Heidi didn't break the law. If you see your child's teacher in the background on the news, doing something silly, should he/she lose his/her job? We cannot control the personal lives of everyone, nor should we. In the grand scheme of things, I think dropping trou is relatively harmless. Silly, but not any more morally wrong than flashing for beads at Mardi Gras.

    cali, I had tons of teachers for whom I had no respect. That didn't matter when it came to keeping their jobs. The respect of children is not a requirement for such a job. If it were, I think we'd have very few teachers.

    I think my mother is right in thinking she is not a parent to all those kids in her class. She's not. She is, however, one of the best teachers in her district, and is well recognizes as such. She has high standards for parenting but recognizes that she cannot make up for poor parenting. cali, your kids sound like they can think well for themselves, isn't that the point? You don't rely on your kids' teachers to give them lessons like that. I don't think Heidi undermined such parenting; only weak parenting.

    Perhaps we should do a Ken Starr-style inquiry into the lives of our teachers from now on?

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    Originally posted by John
    People who send their children to school aren't irresponsible by default.
    no, no, that's not what I meant. I was referring to people who leave all the parenting to teachers, which is more common than you might think.

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    Agree with it or not, teachers ARE held to a higher standard than most professions.
    Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.

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    Originally posted by Jill

    Perhaps we should do a Ken Starr-style inquiry into the lives of
    our teachers from now on?
    No, it's not like someone dug up dirt on her, she put it out there for everyone to see/hear. Someone else mentioned earlier they had more of an issue with her comments than with her stripping down, & I agree. The foolishness that has spewed from this woman's mouth is apalling; far worse than gettin' nekkid in public.
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