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    And what's with having to pay up front when you ask for an inquiry? Even though the commentators explained what was going on, it still looked terrible to have a coach hand a judge money along with the inquiry request. Couldn't they just bill the federation and if the bill didn't get paid, suspend them from competition until it was?

    Though, honestly, have there been so many frivolous inquiries that they've decided teams have to pay for the privilege? I really don't know if that's true or not. Does any one else?

    I just wanted to send a hug to the Ukrainian team, especially the one young gymnast who looked so disappointed.
    All I know is this Olympics is holding a giant magnifying glass up to EVERYTHING that is wrong with the IOC and FIG.

    1- I understand that they are trying to prevent numerous inquiries but the IOC is a 6 billion dollar business and they don't need the money. There are many sports that have successfully restricted the abuse of unneccessary challenges (such as football, basketball, etc...) without the transfer of money. This is so sketchy I don't even know what to say. What if a particularly poor country wants to challenge a rule? Too bad...they can't even get an inquiry unless they hand some cash over. This can't be justified on ANY level.

    2- Speaking of money, I love how the IOC is fighting the athletes so hard over the rule banning sponsors immediately before and during the games. Many athletes are leading the charge and saying--why cant we wear clothes and get compensated by these huge corporations that will pay us just for wearing a Nike check on our tee-shirts? The lady leading the campaign, Sonya Richards-Ross, has made the issue very clear and has been quite honest (this is a nice change for the games) by sharing that while she is very fortunate (she's married to a NFL star as well) and doesn't have to worry about financial considerations, many athletes at the games work 2-3 jobs in addition to their relentless schedules just to get by. Should there be some standards and limitations regarding the amount of sponsorship influence and pull--absolutely. But, again, the blanket rule goes too far and ends up hurting many athletes (particularly from countries or sports that may not be as wealthy, commercially oriented or popular). Why shouldn't those who have done the work and finally get an opportunity to shine on a GLOBAL stage get the same opportunities as those athletes coming from the huge "commercial" countries? Even if they didn't wear specific branding during the actual events they should at least be able to wear gear and be photographed in the days leading up to the events.

    3- FIG-- this is a failure of epic proportions and their missteps and judgements are so GLARING that Im surprised the gymnastics community hasn't organized a protest (I know that is scary and difficult but these folks are out of control). If an entire panel of judges can't identify that a specific dismount is at least significantly more difficult and scored substantially higher then we have a problem. Further, awarding medals and subsequently taking them away based on complaints is unacceptable. If you aren't sure of the results and you have incompetent judges then you need to take the time to fix the problem before shattering the dreams and expectations of numerous athletes. Also, if every coach can challenge the scores then maybe we should have a second panel reviewing video playback for EVERY performance in the future--you can't have it both ways because Im sure there are plenty of gymnasts who could argue that their routines were scored incorrectly--what happened to their "rights" to reviews and changes?

    4- I've said a lot about the 2 gymnasts per country rule so I wont lay out another rant, but, in essence: this is the freaking OLYMPICS--the top 24 gymnasts in the world should be competing for the highest honor, not whomever the FIG deems worthy by essence of where they were born.
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    4- I've said a lot about the 2 gymnasts per country rule so I wont lay out another rant, but, in essence: this is the freaking OLYMPICS--the top 24 gymnasts in the world should be competing for the highest honor, not whomever the FIG deems worthy by essence of where they were born.
    Absolutely! It's particularly glaring because Jordyn Weiber was in 4th overall in the competition the other night. She absolutely should be competing for the over-all. My heart breaks for her, especially since gymnastics is a young girl's sport. It's not like swimming where she could just come back next time. JW will be 21 by the next Olympics and, by that time, there will likely be a whole new crop of little girls dominating the sport. Not many gymnasts, particularly women, compete in two Olympics and, if they do, they're usually very young the first time they compete.
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    Wow, I just had a major "I'm getting old" moment! In 1984, my mom's boss ran and organized the Volleyball venue for the LA Games. My mom worked the office at the venue. We got lots of tickets to matches and met many of the players, including Karch Kiraly and Chris Marlowe. Karch is on the coaching staff for the US women's team and Chris is commentating on beach volleyball for NBC. They look great, don't get me wrong, but they're not those beautiful, young golden boys they were nearly (*gulp*) 30 years ago!
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    Today, more that ever I wish I was home in England. My cousins went to the archery events today and will be going to tennis/volleyball the next couple of days. One of my friends was at the Tsonga match and another was at Wembley to see UK win over Brazil. Oh to be there with them.
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    Absolutely! It's particularly glaring because Jordyn Weiber was in 4th overall in the competition the other night. She absolutely should be competing for the over-all. My heart breaks for her, especially since gymnastics is a young girl's sport. It's not like swimming where she could just come back next time. JW will be 21 by the next Olympics and, by that time, there will likely be a whole new crop of little girls dominating the sport. Not many gymnasts, particularly women, compete in two Olympics and, if they do, they're usually very young the first time they compete.
    Well, there are always exceptions. There's that 37-year old woman (I think she's a vault specialist?) from Germany that's still competing and is considered to have a good chance at medalling in her individual event (there's also a man, almost 40, who is a rings specialist). And one of the top Romanians (winners of the bronze team medal) is just shy of 25 (Catalina Ponor). So it's possible that she could be around for the next Games. I definitely get your point though.

    The Canadian women were so great today. I was happy for the Americans and their win as well. Maroney is such a phenomenal vaulter.

    And though I'm not really a fan, it was cool to see Phelps "make history" with the gold medal in the relay. And Lochte "redeemed himself" re: the previous relay.
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    Well, there are always exceptions. There's that 37-year old woman (I think she's a vault specialist?) from Germany that's still competing and is considered to have a good chance at medalling in her individual event (there's also a man, almost 40, who is a rings specialist). And one of the top Romanians (winners of the bronze team medal) is just shy of 25 (Catalina Ponor). So it's possible that she could be around for the next Games. I definitely get your point though.
    It seems like the US team always cycles out the older gymnasts because the field is so deep. Very few of them come back for a second Games. Maybe Jordyn will be one of them, but gymnastics is one of those sorts where you age out very young....figure skating is another example of that, although it's not quite so bad. I can't think of anyone since Shannon Miller who came back a second time and really did well, but I could be wrong. I've already established above that I am OLD!

    And though I'm not really a fan, it was cool to see Phelps "make history" with the gold medal in the relay. And Lochte "redeemed himself" re: the previous relay.
    I loathe all the b.s. hyperbole of the various commentators during the Games. It's like they decide what the story will be before it happens. Andrea Kremer is a complete idiot during those post race interviews at the Swimming venue. I can't believe the inane questions that come out of her mouth. Who did they turn down for that job?

    NBC is apologizing for spoiling Missy Franklin's gold medal race last night: NBC apologizes for Olympics spoiler | Inside TV | EW.com
    So, even if you avoid all other news sources and ONLY watch NBC, you still might be screwed!
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    Hey, Critical haven't you heard that 40 is the new 30?
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    Hey, Critical haven't you heard that 40 is the new 30?
    Not where gymnastics is concerned! In that case, it's more like 17 is the new 14!

    I've been watching the diving competition and you know, something went out of that sport when Greg Louganis retired. I'll admit I had a raging crush on him back in the day and had posters of him all over my room. I watched a bunch of YouTube videos of him last night and really, there will never be anyone who can match him. He was just special. Graceful, powerful, precise and so charismatic. Some of the Chinese divers are technically very good, but they're missing something for me. It's just mechanics

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    I have been watching the qualifications for the women's gymnastics online and have noticed that there are quite a few female athletes are in their late 20's. Brazil and Greece being an example. I think that in some countries that are not as well off economically and have a don't have as great a depth of gymnasts as the US and China you can have a longer career.
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    I really hate the fact that women gym has become the teenagers sport. That is why so many people lost interests on it and the silly rules. I only follow during the olympics now.The 20 yrs olds don't stand a chance. Russia is also "recycle" each olympic. I miss the korkina era. Anybody remember her?
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