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    Quote Originally Posted by AshleyPSU;2747749;
    The Big Ten had 5 finish in the top 25 (USA Today Poll) also this year.
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    The Big Ten had 5 finish in the top 25 (USA Today Poll) also this year.
    Since I have little else to brag about, the Big 12 finished with 5 in the top 25 too, but 4 of them in the top 10. { End bragging}
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    PAC 10 didn't do too bad. Four in the top 25 per AP (USC, Arizona State, Oregon and Oregon State). USA today we had only three: USC, Arizona State and Oregon.

    We only had one in the top 10 (USC ranked 3rd in AP and 2nd in USA Today)

    But then the PAC 10 doesn't get a lot of respect ... unless you play in SoCal

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    BuckeyeXtra - Commentary | college football: SEC is good, but not the Goliath some make it out to be
    Commentary | college football: SEC is good, but not the Goliath some make it out to be
    Friday, January 11, 2008 2:53 AM
    By MICHAEL ROSENBERG

    DETROIT FREE PRESS

    The other day, like millions of Americans, I watched college football's national championship game. Alas, I must have been watching on a broken TV.

    I saw a team, Ohio State, outgain its opponent by 2 yards per play. I saw that same team lose anyway because its opponent, Louisiana State, played a much more disciplined, fundamentally sound game.

    I saw LSU commit only one turnover while Ohio State essentially committed four: three that were official and one on a roughing-the-punter penalty that allowed LSU to keep the ball. I saw a Buckeyes field-goal attempt blocked. I saw Ohio State commit five -- yes, five -- personal fouls.

    Based on all that, I had no doubt that LSU deserved to win.

    Now, two days later, I'm still annoyed by that stupid broken TV. Apparently, I didn't see the same game as many of my colleagues around the country. They saw:

    1. Conclusive proof that the Big Ten's best teams do not have as much talent as the best Southeastern Conference teams.

    2. Evidence that Ohio State, which got creamed by Florida in last year's title game, does not belong in any championship game. The Buckeyes, they say, are an inferior team that steamrolls a weak conference every year, simply because the Buckeyes have almost learned to run on two feet while the rest of the Big Ten still crawls on all fours.

    Well now. Maybe they are right. The SEC, after all, is 11-4 in Bowl Championship Series games and the Big Ten is 8-9.

    But I don't think they are right.

    I think they have all bought into the SEC Myth.

    Before I explain the SEC Myth, let me explain what the SEC Myth is not. If you think the SEC is usually the best conference in the country, that is not the SEC Myth. That's a perfectly reasonable, rational opinion.

    No. The SEC Myth is the argument that the SEC is far superior to other conferences; that it is the best league in the country every year; that the best SEC teams are always better than the best Big Ten teams; and that the SEC is always deeper than the Big Ten.

    The SEC Myth states that Ohio State does not have the talent to beat teams such as Florida and LSU.

    You probably know some SEC Mythologists. They are all over the place -- except, apparently, in the NFL.

    Since 2000, NFL teams have drafted 59 Ohio State players. Twenty-eight were first-day picks -- guys drafted in the first three rounds.

    No SEC team can match that. Not one.

    The top talent producer in the SEC (by draft picks) is Tennessee, which has had 50 players chosen and 27 on the first day.

    Since 2000, the 11 Big Ten teams have produced an average of 26.8 draft picks per school. The 12 SEC teams have produced 27.3 picks per school. That is half a player per school over an eight-year period. So it's basically a wash.

    Over those eight years, the average SEC team has produced 12.6 first-day draft picks. The average Big Ten team has produced 10.6. In other words, the typical SEC team has produced one extra first-day pick every four years compared with a typical Big Ten counterpart.

    Does that sound like a huge talent gap?

    Did you know that Michigan State, a second-tier Big Ten team since 2000, has produced as many NFL draft picks (28) as SEC power Auburn? Hey, it surprised the heck out of me. But it's true. (All draft stats are courtesy of drafthistory.com.)

    Propagators of the SEC Myth point out that Ohio State is 0-9 against the SEC but fail to mention that Michigan's Lloyd Carr was 5-2 in bowls against SEC teams. (This lends a rock-paper-scissors quality to the discussion: The SEC beats Jim Tressel, Tressel beats Carr, and Carr beats the SEC.)

    SEC Mythologists don't mention that the top three teams in the Big Ten all played road games this bowl season: Ohio State faced Louisiana State in Louisiana, Illinois faced Southern California in southern California, and Michigan faced Florida in Florida.

    The logic behind the SEC Myth is self-perpetuating. When Kentucky beats LSU, it is held up as proof of SEC depth. When Northwestern beats Michigan, people say the Big Ten is weak.

    If you believe in the SEC Myth, you believe that SEC teams face an unfair path to get to the national championship game because their conference is so demanding that it's almost impossible to get through it unscathed.

    But if you believe that, you have to ignore this:

    The Big Ten and SEC play two bowl games against each other every year, in Orlando and Tampa. This is where the conferences send their top two non-BCS teams. If the SEC is really so much deeper, then that conference should dominate those two games.

    Yet in the BCS era, the Big Ten has won 11 of those games, the SEC nine.

    Remember: In that era, the Big Ten has sent 17 teams to BCS games, while the SEC has sent 15. Three times, the Big Ten sent its third- and fourth-place teams to Florida to play the second- and third-place teams from the SEC. The SEC only had to deal with that once.

    Anyway, congrats to Louisiana State, the 2007 BCS champion.

    And congrats to the SEC, which -- I mean this sincerely -- is probably the best conference in America, by a small margin.

    Michael Rosenberg is a sports columnist for the Detroit Free Press.
    Would any of our SEC friends like to respond?

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    All that information has proved that the Big Ten are underachievers if nothing else. If Michiacan would have played their whole season with passion the way the play the bowl game with Florida, Lloyd Carr would still be there. Losing to App State, a team that lost a middling N.C State team didn't help. The Big Ten's problem is when their standard bearers Michigan and Ohio State lose on the national stage they are blown out. Michigan multiple blowouts by USC and Ohio State's by various SEC teams are examples of this. Those teams seem to turn it whenver they wanted to and the games weren't even close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bucwild;2750449;
    All that information has proved that the Big Ten are underachievers if nothing else. If Michiacan would have played their whole season with passion the way the play the bowl game with Florida, Lloyd Carr would still be there. Losing to App State, a team that lost a middling N.C State team didn't help. The Big Ten's problem is when their standard bearers Michigan and Ohio State lose on the national stage they are blown out. Michigan multiple blowouts by USC and Ohio State's by various SEC teams are examples of this. Those teams seem to turn it whenver they wanted to and the games weren't even close.
    I agree.

    And while Michigan played Florida IN Florida, Michigan won this year, so having "the home field advantage" didn't work this year for Florida in that bowl game.

    I still maintain the SEC is right now, the best conference in the nation. It hasn't been in the past and it may not be in the future. But right now, it's the toughest conference.

    Good op-ed piece, but I still stand by the SEC. We don't do well in the pros, but we do college ball REALLY WELL!!! And as I'm a college football girl ALL THE WAY, I don't really care about the pros that much. Of course, I do stand alone in that opinion as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newfherder;2750181;
    I'll respond to the headline of the article:

    SEC is good, but not the Goliath some make it out to be

    By just saying, the SEC may not be the Goliath, but evidently it doesn't take a Goliath to beat the Big 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucwild;2750449;
    All that information has proved that the Big Ten are underachievers if nothing else. If Michiacan would have played their whole season with passion the way the play the bowl game with Florida, Lloyd Carr would still be there. Losing to App State, a team that lost a middling N.C State team didn't help. The Big Ten's problem is when their standard bearers Michigan and Ohio State lose on the national stage they are blown out. Michigan multiple blowouts by USC and Ohio State's by various SEC teams are examples of this. Those teams seem to turn it whenver they wanted to and the games weren't even close.
    I think there is a lot to be said for that. Having lived in Big 10 land, and having lived in SEC land, I think that while individual SEC teams may not be better, SEC teams have more conference pride than Big 10 teams do. Big 10 teams do a very good job of getting really pumped up to show their best stuff (on the field and in the stands) against other Big 10 teams. But I don't think they necessarily show that same level of drive, as a conference, outside of the conference. With the teams in the SEC, there seems to be more of a determination when ANY of the teams has an out of conference team to make the conference proud.

    We see it on this board, and its just as evident elsewhere. In the BCS game, LSU had the support of all of the SEC. Fans of Florida, Georgia, and all of the other teams were standing behind them believing that if LSU looks good, all of them look good. On the Big 10 side, you had people saying "Well if it can't be my team, it may as well be OSU" but it was more a matter of familiarity and that desire to have only been beaten by the best than it was pride.

    I think that teams in the SEC play hard against each other in conference games seeking the conference championship, and play hard in non-conference games representing the conference. I don't think that Big 10 teams see non-conference games as a chance to represent the conference. I think they see it more as a chance for their program to be tested against other conferences.

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    So Big 10 fans, where do you think Terrell Pryor is going to announce he's going tomorrow? He has it narrowed to Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State. My guess is Michigan. I'd love for him to choose PSU but I'm pretty sure JoePA won't start him next year.
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