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01-10-2007, 11:11 AM
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| McGwire strikes out; Gwynn, Ripken in Cooperstown Quote:
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01-10-2007, 11:16 AM
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| FORT Fogey Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Georgia
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| I agree that McGwire belongs in the HOF for exactly the reason that you've stated. You cannot hold a man responsible for playing the game by the rules if the rules change AFTER he leaves the game. McGwire's accomplishments in the game, not to mention the way that he helped to bring the game back after the strike, stand on their own. I'd even go out on a limb and say that I could make an argument in favor of Bonds being enshrined too. It's a weaker argument (also for the reasons you've stated) but unless I'm forgetting a news report, Bonds has not been proven guilty of using any banned substances. I'm not foolish enough to pretend that the allegations are not compelling. But it seems to me to be a rather dangerous precedent to set that a man can be left out of the HOF not for his actions, but for accusations made against him.
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01-10-2007, 11:31 AM
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| I heard someone who was being interviewed on TV (I have no idea who) say that they would vote for Bonds when the time comes because he was a hall of famer before steroids. I agree about McGwire being deserving. The steroids he was using were banned in other sports but not baseball. I just wish he hadn't acted so guilty during those hearings.
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01-10-2007, 11:50 AM
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| FORT Fogey Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Twilight Zone
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| Good for Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr. making it into the Hall of Fame. I agree that Mark McGwire should have made it also. Barry Bonds could eventually hit more home runs than anybody else, but that doesn't mean he will end up in the Hall of Fame. |
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01-10-2007, 04:33 PM
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| I'm also in favor of Mark McGwire being inducted into the Hall of Fame. He was an awesome ball player and like Veruka had pointed out he shouldn't be penalized for accusations. My son is a huge McGwire fan and he was so ticked off that he didn't make it!! Congratulations to Ripken and Glynn though...they are both well deserving!
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01-10-2007, 07:08 PM
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| If everyone supposedly knew that steroids were rampant in baseball at the time McGwire was playing, it's not fair to punish him now. They should have done it at the time, but they didn't. The numbers are there and there's no proof. I hate cheating, and I thought he did an awful job of testifying before Congress, but I think he's being made into a scapegoat. | |
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01-10-2007, 08:12 PM
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| The only one that said Mac did steroids is Canseco and I don't trust him to tell the truth on any subject. Mac was using andros which was/and still is an over the counter muscle enhancer/builder that you can get at GNC or any other health store. He was side stepping the congressional hearing questions cause he had been hammered by the press about it for a year and was tired of repeating himself. Congress only did the hearings for a dog and pony show to make it seem like they were concerned about the problem.
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01-16-2007, 12:57 PM
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| I heart Gerry Butler!! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Good ol' Ohio Age: 26
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| All I have to say is YAY FOR TONY GWYNN!! I grew up with Tony Gwynn as my favorite baseball player, so I am ecstatic that he is finally getting what he has worked so hard for! |
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