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    Duke Lacrosse

    What does everyone think about this case? At first it seemed like the guys were guilty, now there is no DNA match. What do you think, are they guilty?


    Lawyer: No DNA Match in Duke Gang Rape Case http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191232,00.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    What does everyone think about this case? At first it seemed like the guys were guilty, now there is no DNA match. What do you think, are they guilty?


    Lawyer: No DNA Match in Duke Gang Rape Case http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191232,00.html
    When this first happened I thought I believe it. I have been to several frat parties and drunk college guys are not easy to handle. There is also a sense of entitlement to a lot of the atheletes and woman are easy for them especially in the college atmosphere. Add to that alcohol and a stripper. Some of these strippers allow alot of touching for extra tips and I can see this whole thing going wrong. Now with the DNA results back I am surprised. Do I think the lacrosse players are innocent. Well, that's are hard question to answer. Have there been girls who have been overwhelmed and assaulted by drunk athletes. Yes. Do things like that happen at Duke. Yes. Have these athletes done something like that sometime in their career. Yes.
    Did all that happen this time? With those results I would have to say the case is up in the air.

    Adding the race factor to it there are going to be problems with this case that will spill over to some ugly racial tensions. Now with the DNA coming back so fast. It must have been a priority, because after watching Cold Case and other CSI type shows on Discovery(cable) it can take up to a year or longer to get any result back. How did this happen so fast and was it accurate???

    Regardless, once the race card was raised this case went outside the bounds of the crime/noncrime. There will be problems with the community over this. I just hope soome white female student of Duke does not get caught and raped by the locals as part of a revenge of black against white. I can see this happening.

    A bit of advice for college age girl or high school girls that sneak into frat parties. Once the toilets get plugged up and you need to jump out the window to pee behind a bush. Its a good time to leave. Also come with a group and leave with a group. Just because a guy says he will escort you back to your dorm does not mean he won't rape you in the bushes. Also if you choose to stay at the party and you are the only drunk female with a bunch of drunk guys do not be surprised that you end up the caboose at the end of long train of guys playing choo choo. Yes, it was rape but you can't really cry rape when you were drunk and stupid and put yourself in harms way.
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    No DNA match does not mean that there is no DNA present. I wouldn't let these guys off the hook just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR. View Post
    No DNA match does not mean that there is no DNA present. I wouldn't let these guys off the hook just yet.
    The police said that in a lot of rape cases there is are no DNA Matches especially if condoms are used. It is too early and the investigation is not over. I would be curious about these photos a defense attorney said they had that showed the exotic dancer was beat up before the event at the part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearcata View Post
    Yes, it was rape but you can't really cry rape when you were drunk and stupid and put yourself in harms way.
    Bear, I agree with just about everything you said except this part because... a drunk, incapicitated (sp?) woman is legally unable to consent to having sex, so if intercourse does take place it is legally rape. Some times college is the first time some of these girls really experience liquor and have no idea how much is too much. And even if the girl was drunk and took off all her clothes, that still doesn't make it right for a guy to have sex with her against her will.

    But I understand what you're saying and second your point... women can't assume that all men are going to do the right thing and NOT take advantage of a drunk victim. Go with a group, stay with a group and look for your friend instead of just leaving her drunk and alone at a party. There really is safety in numbers.

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    It's official: two indictments handed down, maybe one more on the way.

    http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-725498.html

    Duke lacrosse players Finnerty, Seligmann arrested on rape charge

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    Apr 18, 2006 : 10:18 am ET

    DURHAM -- Duke lacrosse players Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann were arrested early Tuesday on charges of first degree rape, first degree sexual offense and kidnapping.

    Bond for both was set at $400,000.

    Finnerty and Seligmann arrived at the rear sally port of the Durham County Jail about 5 a.m. in a Sheriff's Office squad car. Handcuffed, they were taken inside to be booked and photographed.

    Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, N.Y., is sophomore who plays attack for the lacrosse team. Seligmann, 20, of Essex Falls, N.J., is a sophomore midfielder. Both reportedly live in Edens Dormitory on the Duke campus.

    A Durham County grand jury indicted them Monday. But the indictments were sealed -- meaning their names were not made public -- by Judge Ron Stephens pending the arrests.

    About 6:30 a.m. Tuesday, two lawyers representing Seligmann, Julian Mack and Kirk Osborn, arrived at the jail along with Seligmann's father, Phillip. They walked briskly through a cluster of about 25 reporters and camera people without comment.

    After signing in at the front desk, they went into the booking area, where they remained for almost an hour before exiting the rear of the jail building minutes after Phillip Seligmann departed without his son.

    Osborn made brief comments to reporters, saying his client was innocent and a fine young man.

    Minutes later, as the crowd of reporters thinned behind the jail, Phillip Seligmann returned, picked up his son and sped off.

    Durham lawyer Bill Cotter is representing Finnerty. Cotter said at midmorning on Tuesday that grand juries hear only one side of a story.

    "We're confident these young men will be found to be innocent," Cotter said. "We're surprised anyone got indicted in this case."

    He said he looked forward to proving that in court.

    According to an Associated Press report, District Attorney Mike Nifong is saying that he hopes to charge a third person soon in the case.

    The booking sheet described Finnerty's demeanor as "polite and cooperative" and noted that he "refused politely" to sign the document. Seligmann didn't sign his either.

    Finnerty also faces simple assault charges in Washington, D.C. He and two friends were arrested early Nov. 5 on charges of assaulting a man who told police the attackers called him gay and derogatory names. The man said his lip was cut and he was bruised in the attack.

    A Duke Campus Police officer appeared at the jail about 6:40 a.m. but delined to comment on whether he was there in connection with the arrests.

    "I'm handling official business," he said.

    Earlier, as reporters and camera people waited in the pre-dawn chill along South Mangum Street for a glimpse of Finnerty and Seligmann, a black woman in an SUV drove by and shouted, "Way to go! Way to go!"

    Finnerty and Seligmann, both white, are accused of attacking a black woman hired as an exotic dancer at a team party the night of March 13-14. The woman attends N.C. Central University and is a single mother of two.

    The rape accusations have touched a nerve in the Durham community and attracted national attention over issues of race, sexual violence and social privilege.

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    Reports this morning on GMA indicate that Seligman has an alibi. Apparently at around 12:15am (I might be wrong at the time, but it's less than 15 minutes after the woman arrived at the house) a cab driver picked up Seligman and a friend at the house and drove them to a bank where he took money out of an ATM approximately 4-5 minutes later.

    Whatever the time, apparently it completely conflicts with the woman's story and timeline.
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    for me, it's impossible to reach a conclusion based on media reports-the acuused hired lawyers who are powerful,out to destroy the alleged victims life whether or not she's telling the truth. It's not about proving their clients innocence so much as creating suspicion about the alleged victims recollections, because they know a good chunk of society believes only good, virginal girls get raped.The alleged victim isn't even referred to as a woman or a human being, she's "the stripper", the subtext being strippers aren't decent women who could be victims of a sexual crime.

    AS i said I don't know what realy happened but I do know the truth doesn't mater to the defense attorneys.Their job is to destroy this woman's life regardless of whether or not she's telling the truth.
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    With all due respect, the prosecutors job right now has essentially become destroying the lives of the three accused as well. The other dancer who was with the accuser says she told police that she was with the accuser all night except for about 5 minutes. The defense attorneys had all sorts of alibi evidence they wanted to present before indictments were sought, and were refused. These three guys are out of school completely until this is resolved. Their names have reached, and will likely reach higher levels of notatiety which will stick to them for life. If they're guilty - of course they deserve more. But if they're not guilty, and the prosecutor has ignored so much contradictory evidence and moved forward anyways, then he's made his job destroying these three guy's lives.

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    Rape Charges Dropped Against Duke Lacrosse Players


    FRIDAY DECEMBER 22, 2006 05:00 PM EST

    Durham, N.C., prosecutors have dropped rape charges against three former Duke University lacrosse players accused of attacking a stripper.

    In court papers filed Friday by the Durham district attorney Michael Nifong, he cited a lack of any "scientific or other evidence independent of the victim's testimony" for dismissing the rape charges against David Evans, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann. The accuser told a prosecution investigator the day before that she now doesn't know if she was penetrated during the alleged attack, the Associated Press reports.

    The rape charge dismissal comes a week after the director of a private DNA testing lab admitted that in an agreement with prosecutor Nifong he initially withheld test results showing none of the players' DNA was found on or in the accuser's body.

    Nifong had previously said he could rely on the woman's account because of a lack of DNA evidence against the players.

    In the wake of the rape charge dismissal, defense attorneys Joseph Cheshire (for Evans) and Wade Smith (for Finnerty) held a press conference Friday afternoon, calling for a dismissal of the remaining charges.

    "What we have now, ladies and gentleman, is a prosecutor who has said his entire case rises and falls on the statement of the accuser and is going forward with a case when he knows he has multiple different contradictory statements from that person," Cheshire said during the press conference.

    The accuser, a 28-year-old African-American student at North Carolina Central University, told police she was attacked by the three men in a bathroom at a March 13 Duke lacrosse team party where she was hired to perform.

    Evans, 23, Finnerty, 19, and Seligmann, 20, who have continued to maintain their innocence, still face kidnapping and sexual offense charges.

    Cheshire said both rape and sexual offense carry the same possible sentence of up to 24 years in prison, while kidnapping is a lesser felony punishable by up to seven years behind bars.
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