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    F1 Mclaren Boss Rips NASCAR

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    McLaren Boss rips NASCAR: Dennis-"We've got a much better show"

    LONDON -- McLaren boss Ron Dennis is no fan of NASCAR, with its lines of growling stock cars rumbling bumper-to-bumper around ovals for hours on end.

    "You know one single thing that really, really upsets me?," he said last month when the talk turned to Formula One's commercial future.

    "It's every time that I read about NASCAR. It's just amazing. I mean they are just full up. Every race is full up, they've got more income, more television revenue and it's boring as hell.


    McLaren chief Ron Dennis doesn't understand why NASCAR is so popular in America.

    "That machine is working and yet we've got a much better show," he added.

    Sunday's Daytona 500, the 'Great American Race', will have given him more to chew on.

    Set aside the stereotypes of beer-swigging, good ol'boys revving their Chevys. NASCAR is what Formula One, despite its mass appeal elsewhere, can only dream of being in America. Just look at the figures:

    Some 200,000 fans bursting with brand loyalty packed the Speedway on Sunday.

    That was a drop in the ocean compared to the 75 million Americans who follow a series that, while remaining true to its southern roots, has a $2.4 billion television deal and ratings second only to the NFL.

    Seventeen of the 20 largest sporting events in America are NASCAR-run and when the president of the United States turns up, as George Bush did on Sunday, you know it's big.

    It could teach Formula One a thing or two.

    "If something is as successful as that then you are a fool if you don't go and try and understand what the ingredients are," said Dennis, who intends to attend some NASCAR races with McLaren managing director Martin Whitmarsh to see for themselves.

    "Maybe we can bring some of them to our team. I think we'll go and be pretty dismissive of the technology but I don't think we'll be dismissive of all the things they do and how they've managed to ramp it into such a success."

    BIG FIGURES

    Formula One, with just one race a year in the United States and no American team or drivers, may have the glamour but it remains a mystery to many locals.

    Although 200,000 turned up to watch Formula One at Indianapolis in 2000, it is only 13 years since an ostrich race in Phoenix drew a bigger crowd than the U.S. grand prix in another part of town.

    Ferrari's six times world champion Michael Schumacher, unable to escape the fans' attention in Europe, checked in to his Indianapolis hotel last year without a flicker of recognition from the receptionist.

    Formula One would love a slice of NASCAR's sponsorship -- prestige multinational household-name brands ranging from breakfast cereals to fast food, confectionary and underwear.

    NASCAR is also proof that motorsport does not need cigarettes to thrive.

    Some in Formula One, with half the 10 teams including McLaren and Ferrari heavily sponsored by tobacco money, think that is another lesson to be learnt.

    "We don't want Formula One to be known around the world as a tobacco-driven industry. That is bad for the non-tobacco teams," says Frank Williams, whose team ditched all cigarette sponsorship in 2000 after years of dependance.

    Entertaining the fans and giving them the value for money is another issue that must be addressed by a sport that is as exclusive as NASCAR is inclusive.

    However that can only happen once the banks that control Formula One's commercial rights and the carmakers have agreed a deal mapping out the sport's long-term strategy.

    "The truth is that every single team... wants Formula One to be bigger by having more things at the circuit, more things to entertain the public," said Dennis.

    "We have talked about the whole Formula One village which isn't just about merchandise, it's about simulators and having the drivers attending.

    "It's about a much bigger circus-oriented approach.

    "The problem is that 75 percent of the commercial aspects are owned by banks who do not want to put any money in whatsoever and are only looking for a way to get their money out," added Dennis.
    It comes down to one thing Mr. Dennis, Stock car racing was born in the States, and is a down home sport that is believable. You can drive a street version to work on monday, of the car that won the race on sunday. You can't say that about an F1 car. F1 is considered a European Sport here since all but one race is run there or on the other continents and its made for the hoity-toity. So go take your stuffy upper crust attitude and stick it in a tailpipe because thats the only thing that blows harder than your opinion.
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    plus too, lets not forget, "rubbing is racing" and they can't rub, bump and go side by side without slamming tires and wrecking their cars. Its a "You can't touch me" type of sport. we want to see guys in cars that can bang into each other and keep going for the win, not going into the wind.

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    I enjoy F1 and Indy racing better because its not just a circle/oval. They actually have to shift into lower gears, take the corners, brake and have less area to work with to pass. I think it takes a lot more skill in Indy then it does in Nascar. But thats just my opinion

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    well so much for having to shift at Indy, Pocono, Bristol, Richmond, Louden, Watkins Glenn, Somona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikai
    well so much for having to shift at Indy, Pocono, Bristol, Richmond, Louden, Watkins Glenn, Somona.
    I know I realized that after lol

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    most people can not identify with Formula 1, b/c most of us will never be able to sit in a Formula 1 car let alone drive it... every single one of us has driven a type of car (chevy, ford, dodge) that is souped up and driven 200mph around a super speedway- we can relate to these stock cars and we can appreciate what it takes to get these cars to go that fast for that long!
    I think Formula 1 racing is obviously more techincal but they may as well be racing F-16 fighter jets b/c i ahve as much chance as drving/flying either one of them!

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    Well, I think it all comes down to what you have grown to watch. I find F1 races enjoyable to watch, but I really do not understand the allure of Nascar at all. But, of car sports the one I appreciate the most is good old rally. That I think is something everyone can relate to somewhat. F1's are out of our reach and nascar is just...well, dumb racing around an oval track But in rally they drive somewhat normal cars, and have normal roads to drive. It really is a shame US is not into rally.
    ps. This is just my opinion in the matter.

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    I find F1 much much more entertaining than NASCAR, but I don't put NASCAR down because of it. That's a horrible attitude to have.
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