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    Quote Originally Posted by hooked4 View Post
    The good news about this show is that they usually end up showing the love story by the end. They want viewers to be torn and confused up to the near end, but then they show the love story. It may not be with your favorite, but it often provides at least come clarity for the general viewing audience. Aside from Jillian's season, I have always been able to "see" the connection at the end, even if it was not with my favorite. I believe this season will be OVER THE TOP in showing a love story at the end. There is quite a story to tell here! Brad Womack is in LOVE and they will show it!!
    Me too. I got Fleissed three times--Brad 11 (I had him choosing,) Matt/Shayne (I had F3 Amanda R winning) and this year. In all but Brad 11, something tipped me off before the FRC. I have never gone into the FRC thinking my Fav was winning and another won. You and I are on same page.

    Quote Originally Posted by anders332 View Post
    Jill letting Ed come back convinced me he was F1. There is always at least one major clue as to who F1 is. Jake took Vienna back to his room during a cocktail party, PLo took Jen to the roof to be alone with her.

    Agreed that by the end, no matter if you're an Em or Chantal fan we'll all be wiping tears away at the ending....I know I will, as much as I try not to.
    To go with our conflicting spoilers we have one of each on this--Chantal has spent the night with him (in Catalina) and Emily had the picnic and the gift on HTD.

    As to the love story thing, if the couple ended up as it should and the choice was right for the B or B'ette, I always find myself rooting for them to make it, even if I didn't like the F1 chosen.

    Quote Originally Posted by anders332 View Post
    Jill letting Ed come back convinced me he was F1. There is always at least one major clue as to who F1 is. Jake took Vienna back to his room during a cocktail party, PLo took Jen to the roof to be alone with her.

    Agreed that by the end, no matter if you're an Em or Chantal fan we'll all be wiping tears away at the ending....I know I will, as much as I try not to.
    That is what convinced me also, that and the fact that when he left, it seemed like the season was coming off the rails and when he was back all was good again. Jilly really was easy to read.
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    Re: There's a New F1 in Town and Fort Has It First

    Quote Originally Posted by anders332 View Post
    Jill letting Ed come back convinced me he was F1. There is always at least one major clue as to who F1 is. Jake took Vienna back to his room during a cocktail party, PLo took Jen to the roof to be alone with her.

    Agreed that by the end, no matter if you're an Em or Chantal fan we'll all be wiping tears away at the ending....I know I will, as much as I try not to.
    And just to clarify, I was not surprised at all it was Ed, I just never saw the "love story". (i.e. He better not f- disappoint me!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bevorules View Post
    My thoughts on the new developments: (These thoughts scan over all of our main threads and are in response to the new spoiler, so I will put it in this thread.)

    1. Introduction: Thank you to all of the Emily fans for providing a counter point to all of our comments earlier on the board. When the new spoiler came out I went back and watched it trying to see it as the Bremily folks did. I saw it and am now really leaning towards Bremily as the couple. This is why I always encourage different view points on the boards. The majority isn’t always right and when we have a case like this one, the counterpoint provides those of us who missed it, a key to what to look for in finding it upon a deeper look.

    2. Spoilers: We have conflicting spoilers and developed edits for each one. One is a false edit and one is a real edit. I will detail each so nobody is surprised by the ending and we don’t get Fleissed following the wrong edit path. While I am leaning towards the new spoiler, I am not disregarding the previous one, because we do have established edits for each and still could have a Brantal or Bremily ending. I think both sides need to be prepared so let’s please continue the point/counterpoint discussions in our edit threads and others so that we all have key of what to look for from those who see it best.

    3. Edits Part one—Emily’s F1 Edit: Emily is getting the F1 edit in the Ms. Nice Girl vs. Ms Right pattern. It tricked me at first because she has a cleaner house edit than Chantal. But in re-watching the episodes, that made sense as well. Chantal is the F2 in that edit because her emotional roller coaster is the “deal breaker” that Brad says he can’t live with. In order for her to be F2 in this pattern, we had to see the “emotional roller coaster” so that we realize that her issues are “deal breakers” to Brad. So the normally roughed up F1 isn’t present this year; however it isn’t necessary to set up this pattern and is one of the things Fleiss can play with to make this cast and present circumstances work for him.

    • Because of Brad’s background, his normal compatibility based on personality type is wrong because they are too emotionally all over the place. Oranges and Blues are both emotionally minded, but the blue bottles their emotional roller coasters to be sensitive and strong for others. It is part of the peace maker, nurturer thing. We have occasional breakdowns when we can’t bottle any more, but they are occasional and as long as Brad is aware of it, he can deal with it. Emily is perfect for him because she is calm, steady and nurturing without being too emotionally wound. Chantal as an orange who allows themselves to throw a tantrum when they get angry, hurt or emotional. There is no filter, which is a double edged sword. On one hand, you always know where you stand with them, but on the other hand, they don’t avoid drama and in their need to take care of themselves first and then look outward, you are aware of every Emotional swing that they have. This makes her a bad risk for Brad because he worries that her emotional roller coaster is manipulative and causes drama that he can’t live with. Chantal is his “old type” and in the personality group that Brad is naturally attracted to, so he would be tempted to take it as far as he could because he would be sorely tempted to choose her. He seems to always come back to Emily who is different than his exes and represents a fresh start for him with a group that will give him the stability that he needs.

    • If this edit is true, the season it most reminds me of is Trista and Ryan where we had a false spoiler and a strong corresponding false edit for Charlie. Like that season Ryan was more popular to the audience, but they all thought Charlie would be picked because we had the spoiler and the strong edit and we had her friends/family saying that he was the most like the guys she had previously brought home. Hometowns seemed to shift the focus to Ryan and just about that time we had a counter spoiler that pointed to Ryan as the F1. This was another case of a lead having someone in the final two who was their “normal type” that really tempted them and someone in the final two was a “new type” that was actually better for her in the end. Like this season, the physical chemistry that was so overwhelming with Charlie started waning and by the rose ceremony, he was actually “behind” to Ryan.

    4. Edit Part Two—Chantal’s F1 Edit: If the Reality Steve and Lithargic spoilers are correct, then we have still have a risk/reward ending pattern and Chantal is our F1. They have set this edit up with key words, so this is still a possibility. They have set up the final showdown with Chantal still feeling that she is somehow having to take a risk and is still on the emotional roller coaster. Brad is risking that her emotional roller coaster won’t cause drama in real life. This sets up their final showdown as the conflict to be resolved for them to end up together with is the key characteristic to this pattern no matter which model of risk/reward and safety that the final two are edited in. Emily is now all in having told Brad that she is falling in love with him and Ricki accepting him fully. She is the path of least resistance who would be his safety net choice B in this pattern and if his heart is with Chantal, choosing Emily because she causes less drama would be “settling for her” because life would be easier (baby steps, calm personality, family etc.) If this edit is correct, it reminds me of a combination of the Meredith/Ian edit and the Jake/Vienna seasons. Ian because of the fast start and being way in plain sight and not hidden and the Jake/Vienna one because the F2 was more likable in their "safety."

    5. Media: I can still see interviews and comments from Brad/Harrison that could be interpreted either way depending who you root for. Now that I can see the Bremily ending as well as the Brantal one, I can see how some of the early comments Brad made that seemed like it were clearly leading to Chantal, can actually be for Emily. She is tougher than she looks and in the hometowns, he said that she called him on the no kiss thing. She could be who we see has tough shell, gooey inside even though it was Chantal that they showed coin the phrase on air. She meets the controversial ending, not because choosing her would be controversial, (as she is the Cinderella hero this season and we all want the fairy tale,) but because we had such a strong and well developed false spoiler that didn’t only confuse those who are sleuthing or spoiled but also the casual viewer as the media has been taking RS spoiler as gospel and has been reporting it as fact (you just have to Google their names and the reports come up. I do think now that there is something to “fridge gate” because we now have spoilers and edit evidence to point towards Emily as our F1 it was just hidden from our naked view.

    6. My Take: I am leaning now towards Emily because of who gave us the new spoiler. Blondie Gal was one of the ones who came to Austin and met Brad and Jason and is familiar with Brad’s inner-circle. I am not saying that her spoiler came from someone in Brad’s inner-circle or speculating who her source is, but she is acquainted with people who are close to Brad. It is probably killing them to have to keep quiet about the secret with a false spoiler and false edit out there. This would make sense Babyface C’s comments that we should forget about RS and Lithargic and sleuth this the way we usually do. At the time I thought it was to validate that Brad chose Chantal because he loved her and he was deflecting the Laurel mess. Now I wonder if he really was trying to say we were on the wrong path without actually having to say “we’re on the wrong path.”

    7. What baffles me is why I fell for the false edit pattern (if it is a false pattern) because I didn’t with Trista and Ryan who had a similar edit. Just shows we are all human and none of us are immune from Fleiss’ false edits. In the future, I am going to disregard the spoilers and simply sleuth the caps, the edits, body language, and try to use the internet to find who has what suite, and who is spotted or not spotted in the hometowns. I will use our “old school” sleuth tricks to sleuth the show, instead of trying to sleuth the spoilers.

    8. I apologize for calling our group lax or lazy as there were definitely some who were trying to sleuth and we did have a false spoiler to confuse the issue. I think lazy or lax was too strong a word. That was a knee-jerk reaction to the fact that I was Fleissed. I think what the majority on any boards and casual viewers who were aware of the spoilers were was complacent. We never thought for a moment that RS would go out on a limb with a false spoiler again, after being wrong last year. Couple that with both of Lithargic’s sources saying Chantal and the strong false edit (if indeed that’s what it was) and it is easy to see why we wouldn’t expect to be suddenly told that all of that was wrong.

    Nice post.

    Do you mind if I just mention something that you have been consitantly saying and I found wrong ?
    It is about your opinion that Emily is the less risky of the two just because C is more 'emotional'. That is something I have never agreed with because of the two women Em is definitely the most risky choice of them all (Loved once and loved deeply, lost her love to an accident, has a beautiful child, could possibly not love deeply again etc. etc.). Definitely the more "risky" of the two. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooked4 View Post
    And just to clarify, I was not surprised at all it was Ed, I just never saw the "love story". (i.e. He better not f- disappoint me!!)
    Her season ranks among one of my least favourite. I loved Jill in Jason's season, but we didn't see a truer representation of her personality until her season. MF must not have thought much of her either - since he made Reid come back at the FRC and left the f-bomb in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nd4reality View Post
    Nice post.

    Do you mind if I just mention something that you have been consitantly saying and I found wrong ?
    It is about your opinion that Emily is the less risky of the two just because C is more 'emotional'. That is something I have never agreed with because of the two women Em is definitely the most risky choice of them all (Loved once and loved deeply, lost her love to an accident, has a beautiful child, could possibly not love deeply again etc. etc.). Definitely the more "risky" of the two. Just saying.
    I agree imo Emily is getting the "Risk/Reward" F1 edit more than Chantal
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprssdbyu View Post
    Chantal is the F2 in that edit because her emotional roller coaster is the “deal breaker” that Brad says he can’t live with

    I've said it so many times... the almost rolling of the eyes when he asked if this was a high or a low... right from the get go almost to the point I know people were tired of me saying.. It was what did her in. He just can't handle drama. Lauren said it, Brad said it, CH said ... which backs up that scene. And Anguilla? She was done.
    Then he should have let her go, as she asked him to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetpea View Post
    Then he should have let her go, as she asked him to.
    both times.
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    Re: There's a New F1 in Town and Fort Has It First

    Quote Originally Posted by anders332 View Post
    Although emily's story was the main focus of her edit- the episode that really made me go hmmmmm was the group date when he didn't give out the rose - we had very very little Emily, but what we saw was so huge (the hot springs footage and the talk about her comment about sabotaging relationships in the hammock).
    That scene was extremely important to me, too. Emily had always received so much attention on the group dates and almost always seemed to have a rose already at the rose ceremonies. Whether it be her getting the rose from Ali and Roberto's vote, the group date rose, or a 1-on-1 date rose.

    I think Brad had every intention of giving Emily the group date rose that night, too, but she blew her chances sky high with her talk about sabotaging relationships and pushing men away. I think Brad's thought process that night was that if he couldn't give a rose to Emily, then he just wasn't going to give one out at all since she was the only one in his heart.

    Then his mood completely spiraled down so he just retired to his room and needed to be alone. He was terrified Emily was slipping away from him and the one girl he had his eyes on, was not interested in him back.

    I think it really made his mood spiral that night and he was so relieved when she later came to him the night of the cocktail party and said she felt like an idiot for what she had said. It was like his mood became overjoyed and he was happy again because of her. It was all riding on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imissme View Post
    Now, if what I am reading here is true and Emily is Brad's F1, then all I can say is ICK. These two vanilla people are proof that the forum is much better than the show. Just yuck. I dont want to even imagine their everyday life...they probably will end up living in their original Barbie and Ken display boxes that they came in. Yawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truelovealways View Post
    I agree imo Emily is getting the "Risk/Reward" F1 edit more than Chantal
    I third that! She takes a risk in letting this man into her and Ricki's life, he takes the risk, "Can I live up to what they need? Am I even sure she can love me?" Chantal gets F2 in that pattern because she is all-in. Has said ILY and even suggests that they just get married. According to Bev's guide, F2's conflict is resolved around HTD's. Brad's conflict was that he wanted to see a less emotional side of her- that's what he got with her around her family. With Em, conflict continues to arise- FD, she asks if he's ready for a 5 yr old. LCD, we see them talking about not being as perfect as you think... Em's conflict won't get resolved until FRC, imo.
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