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    Re: **Spoilers** F1, F2, F3, F4

    Quote Originally Posted by bevorules;4130829;
    You are dead on about false meeting stories. Whether they are planted by TPTB/Fleiss or if they are exaggerated in retelling by the gossip mags inadvertantly, these have been happening since the beginning. Trista was alone in the car when she got a ticket yet it was reported that Charlie was with her. She hadn't seen Charlie since she dumped him in the FRC. There were false stories with Aaron and Andy Baldwin as well. If RS is basing his spoilers based on this, we are more effective at sleuthing it ourselves based on screen caps, patterns and edit analysis. I do think his final four is correct and from there we know how to sleuth. That is how I use RS spoilers. I use it to figure out who the main players are so I can tune out the drama and BS in the house and focus on the edit of the final four. This is a great way to avoid being tricked by false edits (or edit mis-direction,) and to see the love story develop--if there is one of course! Either way, our sleuthing is better and our enjoyment is better when we know early who the main players are. From there we are way more accurate then RS without having "sources" other than our own keyboard, fingers, and friends on FORT and their great theories and caps.
    Editing of the F4 is always key, but we have gotten tricked by dicey edits of F1 (Vienna/Ed/Shayne) but the F3's are almost always the most beloved characters of the season.
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    Re: **Spoilers** F1, F2, F3, F4

    Quote Originally Posted by anders332;4130848;
    Editing of the F4 is always key, but we have gotten tricked by dicey edits of F1 (Vienna/Ed/Shayne) but the F3's are almost always the most beloved characters of the season.
    I agree editing the F4 is key but I do not feel we have been tricked by dicey edits of F1. The F1 is usually polarized. some like them some do not. They tend to be controversial with lots of doubts about them for one reason or other. We hate to believe they are F1. (Most likely, the edit for Jason's season took place after her and Melissa broke off so tptb still had time to give Molly the F1 edit and Melissa the F2 edit because that is the edit they had). Even with Jason's Melissa got the F2 physical edit but because of spoilers, we refused to believe otherwise. Shayne, Vienna, Ed, Roberto got F1 edit. I agree with the F3 edit. I feel Chris was the F3 with Frank meant to be the F2 (physical edit), but Frank bailed out. So far for years the edit has been the same. Sometimes when we have spoilers contradicting what the sc's and edit says and when some get attached to the F2 or F3, they refuse to accept they are not F1 . Spoilers to F4 is okay. Then hands off. we want to have fun deciphering the evidence.

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    Re: **Spoilers** F1, F2, F3, F4

    Quote Originally Posted by Living;4130863;
    I agree editing the F4 is key but I do not feel we have been tricked by dicey edits of F1. The F1 is usually polarized. some like them some do not. They tend to be controversial with lots of doubts about them for one reason or other. We hate to believe they are F1. (Most likely, the edit for Jason's season took place after her and Melissa broke off so tptb still had time to give Molly the F1 edit and Melissa the F2 edit because that is the edit they had). Even with Jason's Melissa got the F2 physical edit but because of spoilers, we refused to believe otherwise. Shayne, Vienna, Ed, Roberto got F1 edit. I agree with the F3 edit. I feel Chris was the F3 with Frank meant to be the F2 (physical edit), but Frank bailed out. So far for years the edit has been the same. Sometimes when we have spoilers contradicting what the sc's and edit says and when some get attached to the F2 or F3, they refuse to accept they are not F1 . Spoilers to F4 is okay. Then hands off. we want to have fun deciphering the evidence.
    Pre Matt Grant the F1 typically got a good edit, the only not so great edit I remember is Aaron Burge’s Helene (I didn’t watch Bob or Alex) – post MG the F1 edit definitely got more polarizing. That’s what makes the F1 edit so hard to find – since there is no pattern anymore. Look at this season’s F1 edit already – she comes out of the limo and slaps him in the face!! Should be a fun season!!
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    Re: **Spoilers** F1, F2, F3, F4

    Quote Originally Posted by anders332;4130870;
    Pre Matt Grant the F1 typically got a good edit, the only not so great edit I remember is Aaron Burge’s Helene (I didn’t watch Bob or Alex) – post MG the F1 edit definitely got more polarizing. That’s what makes the F1 edit so hard to find – since there is no pattern anymore. Look at this season’s F1 edit already – she comes out of the limo and slaps him in the face!! Should be a fun season!!
    You are right. Previous to Roberto, Tessa was the last F1 with a clean edit. Roberto's edit was clean also. We didn't see some of his or Chris' involvement in the stuff with The Weatherman until the bloopers at MTA and ATFR. DeAnna would've been F1 if Brad had chosen in 11 and we all know she was roughed up a bit. F1 vs. F2 has always seemed to draw fans to either side of the fence Jen vs. Sadie, Tessa vs. Bevin etc. but just because as humans we are naturally drawn to different people than other humans, doesn't mean that the F1 got a negative edit. Roberto, though, was the first clean F1 since Tessa and previous to that if the final two candidate had anything negative in the edit, you knew they were the F2. I think Fleiss changed editors right about that time and "roughing up the F1 a bit" was something the new editors brought in. Now unless both are clean like Chris vs. Roberto, having a super clean edit seams to be a negative like Tenley, Kiptyn, Jason, Amanda. F1 is being shown with faults to overcome. As far as "the edit" the important thing to remember is the pattern, not how clean the F1 is unless it is good vs. evil pattern as the F1 doesn't have to be perfect in the other patterns.
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    Re: **Spoilers** F1, F2, F3, F4

    Risk/Reward vs. Safety
    This one is the most commonly used. (5 Bachelor Seasons, 4 Bachelorette Seasons)
    Main Keys to Edit: The main characteristics of this pattern are conflict/resolution in the winning couple of the Bachelor or Bachelorette and the F1 (winner); and lack of such in the edit of the F2 (runner-up.) The key words employed in the narration and edit: Safety, safety blanket, “settling for” something. (As soon as the “S” word is employed in describing a contestant in the final two, you are in the risk/reward pattern and the “safe” person is the F2.) They might also use “too good to be true,” “afraid he/she will break my heart” or other things to create the “conflict” to be resolved. This person is the F1.
    F1 Edited As: There are two models of RR v. S winners:
    1. Shy or hesitant to commit—usually due to past hurts and heartbreaks. This person will have real feelings for the bachelor or bachelorette, and will be the one with the deepest connection. They will be worried to “trust” it because of their past.
    • F1’s with this edit are: Helene (shy to commit,) Mary (hurt by Bob recently,) and Tessa (fear of getting hurt.)
    2. Or they have past behaviors or personality that makes them a “risky” choice for the bachelor or bachelorette. Again, this person will have the deepest connection for the bachelor or bachelorette, but the family/friends may not like them, or they may question themselves because the F2 lacks such problems.
    • F1’s with this edit are: Jerry (player past,) Jesse (reputation for not taking things seriously, not ready to settle down,) Melissa (her parents wouldn’t meet Jason and he worried if Melissa would hurt him as her type always did in the past,) Vienna (gold-digging, bad marriage in the past, lots of skeletons in the closet,) Roberto (his personality type hurt Ali in the past; she worried if he was “too good to be true.”)
    F2 Edited As: There are two models of RR v. S runner-ups:
    1. All in from the start. They would follow the bachelor or bachelorette to the moon and back if asked to, and show/tell the bachelor or bachelorette early in the process.
    • F2’s with this edit: Brooke, Tanya, and Bevin.
    2. They lack red flags that make them “safe” for the bachelor or bachelorette. They don’t provide the bachelor or bachelorette with great challenges, or they “conquer” the challenges too early in the edit. They are the “path of least resistance” but don’t offer the big payoff that the “risky” choice does.
    • F2’s with this edit are: John Paul, Jason, Molly, Tenley, and Chris.

    Seasons Employed: B: Aaron/Helene, Byron/Mary, Andy/Tessa, Jason/Melissa and Jake/Vienna. BE: Meredith/Ian, Jen/Jerry, DeAnna/Jesse, and Ali/Roberto

    Good vs. Evil
    This one is the least commonly used (4 Bachelor seasons, none since season 12, no Bachelorette seasons)
    Main Keys to Edit: The main characteristics of this pattern are the vast morality/ethics difference between the F1 and the F2 as well as secrets about the F2 that they are trying to hide from the bachelor or bachelorette (that always get discovered before the FRC.) The key words employed by Fleiss are: “Will ___ discover the truth about ___ before it’s too late?” Past “secrets” have been: Gold-digging, significant other waiting at home, desire for Hollywood/entertainment career, mental health issues.
    F1 Edited As: The F1 is honest about who they are and what they want. They are above board about their past (children, divorce, etc) and their shortcomings. They are genuine, kind and get along well with the others in the house. They are the same around the others in the house as they are with the bachelor or bachelorette. They will either avoid house drama (Jen, Sara, Sarah) or they will act as the peacemaker (Shayne.) They are the protagonist of the story and will often “narrate” the house action in PI and VO clips.
    F2 Edited As: The F2 is all about using their wiles to get what they want or to hide their real intentions. They are jealous, rude, prickly in the house as the others discover that these people are not who they say they are. They are different around the others in the house than they are with the bachelor or bachelorette. They get defensive or argumentative when their secret gets discovered by the bachelor or bachelorette. They are hiding major things like boy/girl back home, gold-digging, mental illness, or entertainment aspirations, hoping “getting the prize” will help them achieve their ulterior motive or goal.
    Seasons Employed: Andrew/Jen, Charlie/Sara, Travis/Sarah and Matt/Shayne

    Mr. Nice Guy vs. Mr. Right (or Ms. Nice Girl vs. Ms. Right)
    This one is in the middle of frequency range (4 Bachelor seasons, 2 Bachelorette Seasons.)
    Main Keys to Edit: The main characteristics of this edit are, the subtly of the edit between the final two, the lack of risk/reward or both are risk/reward, and the lack of a villain in the final two. This one is the most subtly edited and hardest to spot without good screen caps or spoilers. This one often has to be found by eliminating the other two from consideration Key words aren’t really employed but do look for a cataloging of traits by Harrison and the Bachelor or Bachelorette so that the viewer is aware of what the pros/cons are to weigh who is Mr. or Ms Perfect and who is Mr. or Ms. Nice Guy/Girl. In the Jillian season (B/Ette 6) they did use Jake and the phrase (Mr. Nice Guy) to frame Kiptyn as the only “MNG” left.
    F1 edited as: The F1 is shown with “faults” but is the best choice for the bachelor or bachelorette. They are the compatible type, they are on the same level and they are going in the right direction as the bachelor or bachelorette and they are able to adjust their lives to relationship with the bachelor or bachelorette. They either lack red flags when the F2’s “red flags” are deal breakers or they are rough around the edges when the F2 is “intimidatingly perfect.”
    F2 Edited As: The F2 is shown as nice in the house, but there is something that makes them “wrong” for the bachelor or bachelorette. They might be too perfect (for a bachelor/bachelorette “intimidated” by that, or they might not be able to change career/cities to move life to the bachelor or bachelorette. They will be clean in the house and in some cases cleaner than the F1, and they will be heroically good or have the risk/reward but with them not lining up or the feeling just not there they are all wrong for the bachelor or bachelorette even though it seems crazy that they would pass up on this candidate.
    Seasons employed: B: Alex/Amanda, Bob/Estella, Jesse/Jessica and Lorenzo/Jennifer. BE: Trista/Ryan and Jillian/Ed

    All and Nothing
    Only used in seasons where no final rose is given, (1 Bachelor Season)
    Main Keys to Edit: The main characteristics of this pattern are the mishmash of different edit patterns thrown in like a melting pot or potpourri and yet none of them seem to be right or correct. You will be able to pick holes and find fault with each storyline. The villain won’t be hiding secrets, the risk/reward might belong to both people in the final two, or there will be no Mr. or Ms. Right just nice guys/girls who will have red-flags in their edit.
    Final Three Edited As: There is no F1 in a true sense. Each of the final three will get a false F1 edit in an edit pattern and a F2 or F3 edit in the others. There will be something wrong with each edit.
    Example of how Edit is set up: Risk/Reward vs. Safety false F1: Bettina Issue: There was no “safety.” All of the girls had some sort of “risk” about them, Jenni just got job that would make it hard to move to Brad and DeAnna had aggressive personality, wasn’t liked in the house.
    Good vs. Evil false F1: Jenni Issue: Jenni was heroically good which is part of the edit, however the “Villain” DeAnna wasn’t hiding any secrets or shortcomings from Brad. She didn’t desire to use her show fame to launch anything; she didn’t have a boyfriend back home, and was honest about her “feistiness” with Brad who knew that she fought back when attacked. Bettina was “prickly” but again, wasn’t a real villain.
    Ms Nice Girl vs. Ms Right false F1: DeAnna Issue: DeAnna wasn’t clean in the house and she and Brad wouldn’t have ultimately clicked as they are both exacting and would have argued and fought for control. She demonstrated this in LCD when discussing the house being orderly and the toilet seat down or there would be hell to pay. Also, none of the girls lives fit perfectly with Brad. Jenni couldn’t move her life to Brad due to a huge job opportunity and Bettina’s family looked down at Brad for not having college degree.
    Season Employed: Eleven (Brad)

    This should be helpful when sleuthing the final two and verifying RS or disprooving him. Don't forget screen caps and patterns.
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    Re: **Spoilers** F1, F2, F3, F4

    Wow! I guess I never understood what "sleuthing" was until I read the above.

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    Re: **Spoilers** F1, F2, F3, F4

    Holy mackerel, bevorules! You pretty much explained everything in one very large nutshell!

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    Re: **Spoilers** F1, F2, F3, F4

    Well said bevorules. You've summed TB up. It will be good to keep referring to your outline to stay in check without being swayed by other influences.

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    Re: **Spoilers** F1, F2, F3, F4

    Quote Originally Posted by Living;4130984;
    Well said bevorules. You've summed TB up. It will be good to keep referring to your outline to stay in check without being swayed by other influences.
    And maybe a copy of it could go in the edit thread, it'll be interesting to see how Emily and Chantal polarize each other. (Or Ashley for that matter!)

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    Re: **Spoilers** F1, F2, F3, F4

    Bevorules Thank you so much for taking the time to write this out! It is so helpful to think back about other seasons edits before watching these edits unfold. You did a wonderful job covering everything!

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