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    ITA...the contemp/lyrical/hip hop genres are overworked and overexposed. Give us some real diversity, mix it up more!

    I would love to see more ballet, tap, broadway. Plus we haven't had a good male ballroom dancer make it into the top 10 for the past 2 seasons. I find it difficult to believe that there aren't plenty auditioning...they're just not making it past "talent" such as Philip Chbeeb, Vitolio, Tony, etc
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    I agree; I think it's great that we had Evan and Melissa this year to expand the horizons of types of dancers on the show. I also want to see more ballroom dancers make it into the finals; I was disappointed when Janette was bumped off two weeks ago.

    However (look out! bad news ahead!) this show / competition is designed to favor dancers who can excel at many different styles and disadvantage dancers who are stand-outs only in their own style. We can talk about whether that is good or bad; but that is really the heart of the show's design. Embracing this value of acknowledging dancers who can cross "party lines" and look great in any (or many) styles has some consequences.
    • It favors the generalist, rather than the specialist. Just look at past finalists like Sabra and Joshua: they may not have been the best in their fields, but they do a mean rumba, disco, hip-hop, and Broadway. Dancers like Evan, Phillip, Dimitri (Season 2), Hok (Season 3), Anya (Season 3) are all incredible dancers who will go on to great success in their field. But this contest is going to slap them around for four weeks and then praise them for just one.
    • More than half the routines favor "traditional" ballet/jazz/modern trained dancers: Broadway, Jazz, Contemporary, Pop. In addition, traditionally trained dancers these days have at least dabbled in Hip-Hop for fun, so they usually pick the street style up without too much difficulty. As you mentioned, the competition favors the contemporary dancer.
    • On the flip side, ballroom and street dancers often have a harder time with the major athleticism, flexibility, and grace required for ballet/jazz/modern choreography - not to mention the acting and nuanced performance requirements.
    • The specialty dancer has an obstacle course to run if they want to make it to the finals. First they have to be so good at their style and so charming in their manner that fans will stick by them even when they perform poorly. (Evan did this.) Second they have to be able to partner at least well enough for the judges to let them into the Top 10 without fear that they will sabotage whoever is coupled with them. (Phillip failed at this one.) Finally they have to somehow win new fans in the final weeks. THis often comes down to luck in getting the right choreography to give them a boost right when they need it the most. (Evan hasn't had this, unfortunately.)

    I'm not sure how to make it better for specialty dancers in this format. I mean, the same rules and standards have to apply to everyone. You can't be coming up with a special program every week just to show off someone's particular talent. They obviously tried that this year with Melissa and the pas de duex. And that was a beautiful and memorable piece (we'll probably see it again tonight). But it destroyed any trust people had in "random" draws of dances and I think hurt the credibility of the competition. Another one of those "good for the TV show; bad for the dance competition" decisions.

    So what can we offer the aspiring tap, Bollywood, tango, ballet, country-western, Broadway, and krump dancers? Not a lot, as the competition stands. Only the advice that they need to take the next year off from their style and get into ballroom, ballet, and jazz classes - because that's what they are going to be doing on the show. And, they will be held to the same standards as people who do those styles as thier speciality.

    That's the bottom line: this is a ballroom / hip-hop / contemporary competition. You can do whatever style you want for your solo. And we may throw in the odd Bollywood or folk dance to spice things up. But you will win or lose based on how spectacular you are in contemporary, hip-hop and ballroom numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopCatDC;3643579;
    That's the bottom line: this is a ballroom / hip-hop / contemporary competition. You can do whatever style you want for your solo. And we may throw in the odd Bollywood or folk dance to spice things up. But you will win or lose based on how spectacular you are in contemporary, hip-hop and ballroom numbers.
    And as such, it's getting less entertaining for me. I started off disliking lyrical and gained an appreciation for it watching this show, but it's gotten to where it's back to - yeah there they are flailing around again, big deal. Maybe it's time to restructure the show? I admit I have no idea how to do that, but it's getting old the way it is now.

    As for Evan, I like the way he moves, I like the way he dances, I don't care if he's as "clean" or as "crisp" or his lines are not as good, or whatever they use to praise and criticize - he flat out entertained me every week. I'd go see him before I would any of the other top 4.
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    FWIW, the crowd at the Kodak Theater chanted "EVAN...EVAN...EVAN" MUCH longer than they showed on the broadcast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty8723;3643733;
    As for Evan, I like the way he moves, I like the way he dances, I don't care if he's as "clean" or as "crisp" or his lines are not as good, or whatever they use to praise and criticize - he flat out entertained me every week. I'd go see him before I would any of the other top 4.
    Ditto. I'd love to see him dancing some real Broadway routines - I could probably watch that for hours. I'd also add that most of the time when the judges say that his partners or dance-mates outshined him, I have disagreed. I make a point to watch him and compare him to whoever he's dancing with, and I rarely see any serious gap.

    As for the premise of the thread - I really hope you're right, FierceCritter. I just worry that it'll go the opposite way. Considering his comments, and what certainly seems to me like outright sabotaging of Evan in the last few weeks, I don't think Nigel is very open to variety. But you're right, Evan has brought viewers to the show. And having several dancers from non-contemporary backgrounds, who we could compare as the season went on, would keep people interested and watching. And hopefully they will realize that Evan has only helped the show, regardless of their personal feelings about him getting this far. I'd love it if they put a couple of Broadway dancers in this fall. I'd also like to see that guy who was under contract this season come back. A male ballet dancer would be neat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSP;3643831;
    FWIW, the crowd at the Kodak Theater chanted "EVAN...EVAN...EVAN" MUCH longer than they showed on the broadcast
    And they did it after a much harsher series of criticisms from Nigel that were also edited out. At least tonight is live; no way to fake that!

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    Evan is the wild card in the competition. Evan’s unique style and appeal have made him one of the most controversial contestants ever on the show. While Evan is a fine dancer in his own right, most of his fans value him for the joy and humor he brings to dancing in his MGM musical style. Last night, Nigel commended him and his brother Ryan for inspiring a lot of dancers to go back and rediscover some of that classic smooth jazzy movement.

    But the very smooth, joyful approach that endears him to fans, throws a bucket of cold water over most of his attempts at other styles. While Evan is never bad, he rarely excels in numbers that call for sharp percussive movement, or edgy dark attitudes. Hence the controversy. You either love him for what he has to offer, or despise him for what he cannot quite achieve.

    Evan’s fans seem to have everyone (including Nigel) spooked. They have kept him in the competition week after week, even when his routines were poorly received – sending home much better all-round dancers (Ade, Jason) in his wake. At the Finale taping on Tuesday night, Nigel was very critical of Evan in both his solo and in his Jive routine with Kayla. He was so harsh, that the audience began chanting “Evan! Evan! EVAN!”, building up until Evan broke down in tears at the show of support after a very rough night. For Wednesday’s telecast, however, most of Nigel’s critical comments were edited out. The “Evan!” chants seem to materialize mysteriously after Nigel makes a positive comment. Clearly the producers are concerned about a backlash.

    But the reality is, Evan’s fans have not been growing in number. How could they? He hasn’t delivered an “amazing” performance since the third show of the season. Evan got fans early and has kept them happy week and week and they have been faithful voters.

    But, this is the finale. There are many more votes at stake. Evan’s fans are, for the first time, just a small slice of a much bigger pie. Evan’s job over the past weeks and last night, was to convince the larger undecided audience that he was the most deserving dancer. I don’t think he has done that. I think most people have already made up their minds one way or the other about Evan. Either they were already on the bandwagon, or they are looking for a stronger all around dancer.

    So my prediction is that Evan will place third – but I would not be surprised if he came in last of the four, either.

    Or, I could be totally wrong. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopCatDC;3644332;
    But the reality is, Evanís fans have not been growing in number. How could they? He hasnít delivered an ďamazingĒ performance since the third show of the season.
    I don't see where this certainty that his fans couldn't be growing in number comes from.

    You seem to be supposing that voting fans of previously cut dancers are choosing to bestow their votes upon the more skilled technical dancers.

    But I don't see why it isn't equally possible that the same voters might give their vote to Evan because 1) they originally did choose to reward a skilled, versatile, technical dancer their vote until said dancer was cut and 2) have decided to go with their possible 2nd choice, "Evan - that guy who wasn't as good technically or as versatile as (insert cut dancer here), but whom I always liked and now choose to support."

    Yeah, it would make more sense for voters to start swinging their vote from one previously cut technical/versatile dancer to another, meaning Brandon, Jeanine & Kayla. But maybe there was a reason these same voters didn't vote for any of those 3 in the first place, and still wouldn't want to.

    I guess I don't see the certainty in the guessing.

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    Re: The Evan Effect

    I would have to agree that the show as is needs some revamping to "freshen" it up. By now we all know the drill.

    My suggested changes:
    1. have a male and female winner. the whole season is set up this way, why change at the very end?
    2. rotate couples and assignments every week from the beginning. Using a spreadsheet, this is easy to figure out (don't ask me how I know this)
    3. For Top 10, extend solos by 15-20 secs. Let us really see what they can do (and yes, if they are supposed to dance in their own style, then the ballroom dancers should be able to have a partner!)
    4. Here's a radical idea: viewer's choice week! Let the viewers vote on the style for each couple. That would be FUN!

    I'm sure I have plenty more ideas, but you get the idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gala62;3644607;
    3. For ...solos...the ballroom dancers should be able to have a partner!)
    OMG - You know, that's 100% spot-on. I don't know why that hasn't been figured out before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gala62;3644607;
    4. Here's a radical idea: viewer's choice week! Let the viewers vote on the style for each couple. That would be FUN!
    That's an awesome idea.

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