There was another thing that Aviva said last night that was not nearly as horrid as the verbal rape comment, but has stuck with me. In the aftermath of the battle royale at LuAnn's house (sidebar - I LOVED the way LuAnn had enough and just declared she was goingto bed and started kicking everyone out!) Aviva was discussing it with one of the women - I don't recall which one. But when confronted with everything she'd said to tarnish Carole's reputation, Aviva defended herself saying that Carole had started it. Carole has not tried to hide the fact that her comments were based on her opinions. She asked if Aviva had a ghost writer because she was surprised that a person who was writing a book for the very first time claimed it was so easy. On the other hand, Aviva claims that other people told her that Carole had a ghost writer, that her book was such a mess it had to be redone, etc. She's using these other people to try to avoid beind held accountable for her words. But it would also mean that Aviva "started" things prior to that discussion by digging up dirt on Carole ... or she made it all up. Either way, the childish defense of "she started it" doesn't hold water.