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    Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

    Quote Originally Posted by Poppy Fields;4125113;
    I don't think it's up to me to say who is "good" or who is "bad." We're all a bit of each, are we not? Teresa, I am sure, has many good qualities. She is however a perjurer and a thief. I can overlook her b.s. with the drama and the street-fighter image, but I cannot overlook the fact that she and her husband, in attempting to walk away from debt they incurred with contractors and small businesses, brought real harm to many honest people. Their choices have been, at the very least, unethical. If Teresa told me it was raining, I would have to look out the window to confirm it.

    Their arrogance and stupidity in submitting fraudulent tax returns as evidence in the bankruptcy action is unfathomable to me. Their pre-trial hearing is on Tuesday and I'm sure the possibility that their bankruptcy relief will be denied is hanging heavily over her now, no matter how she acts at book signings.
    Very well stated, Poppy. I will always have a problem with how bankruptcy is handled where decent people who extend credit to others are left empty handed with no chance of recovery of any percentage of the funds.
    I don't know much at all about bankruptcy rules/procedures but that seems unfair. I like that people have a way to rebound after financial disaster but I also feel that the ones left unpaid are exploited.

    I feel no compassion towards Teresa and Juicy for getting over their heads in debt, due to greed, nor do I feel they should receive any mercy for lying and cheating. Some people find themselves in deep trouble financially because of occurances out of their control, like serious illness. Had they admitted that they lost control and made mistakes, fine, that would make them human and understandable. Cheating/lying..........wrong.

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    Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

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    Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

    I'm with you Poppy. I had thought the bankruptcy laws had changed & that you had to repay part of what you owed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterKitten;4148709;
    Tree HAS to be on her best behavior... she's going through a major bankruptcy suit and she wants people on her side. I realize that her behavior cannot affect the bankruptcy, but she needs to have some sympathetic people to keep up the appearance that she's such a nice person who's going through such an awful bankruptcy that wasn't her fault at all and all you nice people HAVE to buy my books so that I can get through this horrible, awful time that I had absolutely nothing to do with.

    If anyone believes that crock of crap, I have a bridge that you can buy... her signature is on EVERY mortgage transaction, EVERY loan... EVERYTHING! For her to say that she's an innocent victim who didn't know what juicy was doing is an outright lie. If you don't believe this, property transactions are public record in NJ... look it up for yourself and you will see her signature on every piece of paper...

    I know that stoopidhousewives.com (via comments I've read) is investigating her involvement and will be speaking with parties close to Tree re the bankruptcy... I'm waiting to see THAT post! She/he/whoever writes that site really has some good stuff and it looks like they do due diligence on what they publish. Yes, I'm a big fan of that site... I'm not sure if links are allowed here, if so, here is the site: (sorry, FORT rejected the link!) If not allowed, just google or search: 'stoopid housewives'

    My last words here are: Tree is a liar... don't get tricked into believing otherwise.
    I have no personal knowledge of Teresa and certainly don't know her well enough to say with certainty that she's a liar, nor do I have any reason to defend her, but from what I've seen of her, she seems to adore her husband whether he deserves it or not. Perhaps the "stoopid" part is not far off. I can see where if he stuck documents under her nose to sign and gave her some kind of cockamamie half-a$$ed explanation of what they were about, she would trust him and sign without further investigation or questioning him. She seems to have more of an old-fashioned upbringing about a woman's role in a marriage ... look good, raise the kids, keep the house, and in her case, spend your husband's money. Who knows if perhaps Juicy did what he did because of Teresa's propensity for the latter. Still doesn't make her a liar. If she maintains she didn't understand what he was doing, maybe it was because they agreed she wouldn't bother her pretty little head about it. After all, if she was too pretty to work, she might also have been too pretty to think.

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    Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

    Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking the law. Whether Tess knew what she signed was fraud or not...she still signed them.

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    Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

    Not disputing that.

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    Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky22;4150682;
    I can see where if he stuck documents under her nose to sign and gave her some kind of cockamamie half-a$$ed explanation of what they were about, she would trust him and sign without further investigation or questioning him. She seems to have more of an old-fashioned upbringing about a woman's role in a marriage ... look good, raise the kids, keep the house, and in her case, spend your husband's money. Who knows if perhaps Juicy did what he did because of Teresa's propensity for the latter. Still doesn't make her a liar.
    I can easily see that scenario happening with Teresa. It wasn't that long ago that most wives didn't know anything about the financial aspects in their marriage. That has changed some but unfortunately many wives fall back into that ignorance because it's easy, even though they know they are just as liable for any transgression.
    I know lots of wives who just sign where they are told to sign. And yet, many of them would stand up and complain if they thought they were being treated as chattel. Mostly, they are not interested in how the money comes in, just that it comes in.

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    just noticed in our local newspaper that Teresa is going to be making a guest appearance at a nearby casino. I am wondering why this is the first I am hearing about this!

    You can have dinner with her for $59. If I spent $59 for a spaghetti dinner & a copy of her book I would end up with heartburn.

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    I think Teresa's role in her family is changing. She's now a bread winner, and I do admire her work ethic - even though I can't stand her. I bet she doesn't sign anything he hands her now without having her own lawyer OK it.
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    Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

    Quote Originally Posted by PA Snow Bunny;4150643;
    I'm with you Poppy. I had thought the bankruptcy laws had changed & that you had to repay part of what you owed.
    They filed for Chapter 7 - which is the only type bankruptcy relief which allows you to have your debts discharged. Where you walk away from them.

    Unfortunately for the Giudices, there is a very low annual income ceiling for a petitioner to qualify for Chapter 7 relief. The Giudices are going to be tried for bankruptcy fraud in July - because they have apparently lied about their assets and even entered fraudulent (wholly made up, never filed) tax returns into evidence to support their "eligibility" for Chapter 7.

    They will probably not be granted the discharge of debt, and will have to pay back all of it - or negotiate individually with all of the creditors to pay back a lesser amount that is owed.

    The good news (for Teresa fans) is that she is working very hard on her "brand" and she just might make $11 million over the next few years if her popularity does not peak. Then, the Guidices could pay off their creditors.

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