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    Isn't he in the construction business? I'm pretty sure that what Teresa said last year.
    Thanks, Hobbes. Interesting ... isn't new construction severely down in this economy? And yet he apparently is making boatloads of money. I guess we don't know what sort of construction he does, and maybe it's different in NJ.

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    The fashion show:

    Gia has a creepy pedophile's delight kind of walk and I find the sexualization of a young child deeply disturbing and off putting. Tess of the Stone Temple, the real "crazy drag queen" may get her validation from being a sexual object but an eight year old should be allowed to be a little girl.

    Christine is very pretty and very grown-up which is a good thing given her family. I feel sorry for Not-a-model, the younger sister. Being a financial drain rather than potential asset, she is devalued by her mother. She must prove her income generation potential before more than cursory attention will be paid her, before interaction between mummy and child will be about more than "doesn't Christine look good/great/better than you?" Sad.

    Danielle's pathetic carrying on with Jacqueline shows a deep fear of abandonment due to her childhood experiences, I feel. I'm not professional but if Bravo doesn't encourage that woman to get real help with her issues, her borderline personality disorder and her rather extreme need for affection and inability to keep the affection of others, then they are doing her a disservice and abusing her for money. She is damaged and I would guess more sinned against than sinning. I believe she really doesn't know how sad she appears to others. I would speculate that Jacqueline and Dina are responding to Danielle's neediness from the perspective of a mother, which is why the interactions are unhealthy for all concerned. Danielle needs to grow up and ironically be her own woman.

    I mean she's even speculating about absent people not being able to be happy for her - absent people that she doesn't like. Is it really necessary for Dina, Jacqueline, and Teresa to be happy for her? Only if she is essentially a hollow person.

    Look at her court records...she was a paid escort, doing things for other people's approval (expressed quite tangibly? tangiably? in physical form? in cold hard cash) and a kind of servant or employee for the 'real' drug dealers. Anyone with any sense, let alone sense of self, would have nto fallen into those behaviours. Anyone with any sense of self would allow D, J, and T, to feel their own feelings, to send flowers and merely thank them, without making a whole drama (a drama which apparently even her littlest child is familiar with).

    Look at her pathetic manipulation of her real estate agent to talk to her ex-husband. "Help me. Take care of me. If you do then you love me. If you love me, why then I love you. If you don't then you hate me. If you hate me I hate you." It's sad and it goes nowhere. Nobody can fill up the void in Danielle, not Jacqueline, not her kids, not money, not exercise, not cheap degrading sex, nothing. NOTHING. She needs to learn to nurture herself and be fine with being alone. But she won't learn that until she realizes she needs to.

    It is not normal nor healthy to place empty chairs at tables and bring up one's feelings of loss and abandonment. It is not normal or healthy to have such cravings for others' approval that one loses ones dignity or sense of self. It is not normal or healthy to swing from abject pleading for validation to angry (and violent? threatening?) rejection when that validation is withheld. I really believe that Danielle is suffering greatly every day from lonliness and insecurity, pains which she doesn't know how to deal with but which aren't her fault. Look at her 'motto' - "You're either going to love me or hate me" - in her world, those extremes - love and hate - are the only way interpersonal relationships can work. If Jacqueline and Dina don't love her, don't love her more than they love their own spouses, then they must hate her, and be hated in return. It's like emotional whiplash, in every interaction.

    It must be horrible to be her but it must also be horrible to be around her.

    Juicy Joe was being an ass to his daughter and Tess shouldn't have excused it to Gia or us.

    Dina seems smaller and more alone than last season without Lexi, but there's apparently a reason for L's absence, which will be revealed. Ooooo. Lexi was forbidden from appearing would be my guess, by her father.

    The two faced lady dog wasn't in much evidence thank heavens. Talk about 'toxicity.'

    Caroline had one good interaction with Jacqueline and her question was pertinent. Jacqueline has to give herself permission to treat Danielle as she wishes to. I have to wonder if Jacqueline isn't a bit of a narcissist, in that she thinks she can be of some sort of saving, nurturing, redeeming factor in Danielle's life. Danielle's neediness will draw people like Jacqueline in, people who seem very meek and mild on the outside but really have very high opinions of their necessity in other people's lives. Jacqueline can't fix Danielle and shouldn't try and shouldn't feel guilty for not trying. Danielle is an adult. An adult in need of help, but an adult. She has to stop seeking approval in others' eyes. And Jacqueline has to recognize the limits of her ability to repair people.

    Other than that is it me or did Caroline mostly coo over children? Sort of practicing for being a real grandmotherly matriarch. I get the impression she has a set of strap-on b*lls in a box on her nightstand for when she's really in charge. Her femininity sometimes seems a burden as she strides purposefully, takes charge, and manages the lives of those around her.

    And didn't Big Al do well losing weight with his stomach band?
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    Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky22;3908111;
    Thanks, Hobbes. Interesting ... isn't new construction severely down in this economy? And yet he apparently is making boatloads of money. I guess we don't know what sort of construction he does, and maybe it's different in NJ.
    I'm telling you, Juicy Joe does a trade stripper act for lonely men in da city, and Tranny Tess sings at the same club. Perhaps they even do...other things to raise cash. After all, Tess said they have sex every night.

    She didn't say that they have it with each other.

    {purely joking but I do think Joe has...tendencies...}

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitex3;3908050;
    I think it was the first home they were in when the show started.
    Which they claimed was merely an 'investment property.' Too bad Jeana Keough wasn't around to advise them on how to restructure. Better than Frank Curtin to advise them on how to pretend it's not happening.

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    I think Joe doesn't really know how to nurture or relate to little girls, thus the way he spoke to Gia in the car. He seems like the kind of guy who would prefer sons. Theresa's dad seems like kind of a hard-nosed guy, too, so her idea of fathering is no doubt based on what she grew up with; therefore, she excuses Joe's behavior by saying he is "toughening" the girls by "teasing" them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitex3;3908052;
    As Christine walked the walk, Dani/Bev counted dollar signs. I thought Christine did a good job, and so did Gia, but when Dani/Bev made it all about her. The flowers, and please how many times are you going to call Jacqueline, and then ask your child what you should do?
    I agree. Danielle trying to direct Christine how to walk down the catwalk was so, I don't know.. fake is the only word I can come up with. I can understand why Christine was annoyed at the end. I'm willing to bet it has more to do with her mother than that other dude.

    And the 5,000 phone calls to Jacqueline, can we say PSYCHO!

    I thought it was a little telling of how much Danielle pays attention to her daughter when she said she wasn't worried about Christine having an eating disorder. Then showed Christine going on and on about how hungry she was but only grabbing twice slices of melon and a water.

    Maybe it's because Danielle is older and has had plastic surgery but I just don't see the model in her. Oh wait...wasn't she a leg model??

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    Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

    Did anyone read Jacqueline's blog?? It's good. Go Jacqueline!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngloAm;3908129;
    The fashion show:...Other than that is it me or did Caroline mostly coo over children? Sort of practicing for being a real grandmotherly matriarch. I get the impression she has a set of strap-on b*lls in a box on her nightstand for when she's really in charge. Her femininity sometimes seems a burden as she strides purposefully, takes charge, and manages the lives of those around her....
    Always thought she was a bully and thinks her family is more important than anyone else's family on the planet. Can you say "self-righteous?" What I find interesting is how she condemns Danielle (along with "Mother Teresa") about being a stripper, yet she is soooooooooooooo proud that her son wants to run a strip club -- even thinks it's wonderful. Huh???

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    I love Caroline. I don't think she's a bully, just a no nonsense type who puts her family first in her life. I love to see her and her family, and watch the fab 4 (Caroline, Dina, Jacqueline, and Teresa) get together and shop or vacation.
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    Jacqueline sure is afraid to deal with Beverly. When Beverly calls, why can't Jacqueline simply say "Remember, we talked about this. My husband is uncomfortable with any relationship I have with you; and I'm uncomfortable too. I have decided not to socialize with you. I am sorry I cannot attend your function. I will never be socializing with you, but I will always be neutral and non-combative in public. I understand we both have a Bravo contract, and I will do my best to conduct myself properly until we no longer are required to have Bravo-related contact. I'm sorry it turned out this way. Goodbye".

    I wish Jacqueline would simply get a spine and tell Beverly how it is. It's clear to me that Jacqueline actually does not want Beverly for a friend. She should come right out and say it.
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