Closet Fan - good point she looked much better with straight hair IMO and the curly hair made her look totally different and was a bit too old fashioned for this show IMO. Not that she wasn't pretty that way too.
Weinie I've been thikning something similar about Tim and most of the male contestants during the lingerie challenge, but didn't know how to say it. Lingerie is all about appreciation of the female form in all its forms, ages, curves, no curves, etc., there was so much the teams could've done. I found Tim's statement that black lace is only for Park Ave. 'social x rays' offensive. Daniel F's line was perfect for just what he stated - a special evening for 30-50 year old women which btw Tim is a HUGE market.
The flounces on it etc., are just right for curvier figures too. Daniel F was really the only one IMO who designed for 'real' women. Daniel V's line wasn't bad, but again was only for 20somethings with perfect size 2-6 figures. That tight shiny fabric wouldn't do anyone past that many favors.
I didn't hear a rule set in the challenge for "young and modern" like Tim said Daniel F's line wasn't, so I felt that was unfair to penalise him for it. I think the show should have more of an open mind. The 'other board' is almost in mutiny about Daniel F's ousting too for the same or similar reasons. I love that Daniel F's are near the top of "Rate the Runway" and Santino's are dead last, too. Bwa ha.
Santino's comment that Team Diana "has never had sex in their lives" was ironic since if he meant that they'd design something sexless, well he did, even more so, after all he doesn't seem to see a woman's body as sexy either, or romantic or gorgeous, which lingerie should be. His line would make women look and feel like freaks, IMO. Diana's wasn't much better, her aesthetic is too detached for something as emotional as lingerie IMO. Well I hope next show's better but judging from the glimpses in the teasers, I'm afraid.
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Regarding Wendy Pepper. I loved how open and revealing she was in the confessionals, I just never thought she had the 'slyness', 'smarts' to pull of all the strategy that she wanted to. That's why I never took her too seriously as the villan. I never hated her as some other posters did, I just enjoyed her drama. I do think that Santino has much more 'street smarts' than Wendy did and is much more calculating. He is also much more a verbal assault artist.
Emmett did say one thing during the episode that made me pay much more attention to Santino's work. He likes to add alot of embellishments. That explains all the ruffles etc... Can he make a simple dress and have it stand on its on just based on its line, drape, cut, shilouette??? Well he hasn't shown us that side of him yet.
I don't know that Tim was dissing all black lace as much as not liking the one that Daniel chose. I actually thought that Daniel's sketch was really lovely, but I didn't like his final products. I didn't really like the lace--it wasn't as pretty as it could have been and looked like it would be scratchy. The skirt parts were fine--I liked the tiers and flowiness, but they were basically the same length--he could have had short, mid-length, and long to mix it up a bit. I really didn't like the tops at all--I didn't think they were particularly flattering. I agree that they were more wearable for more people, but I felt like I could find that look anywhere.
ITA agree that it wasn't fair to penalize him for not doing the "young" thing, when that wasn't specified. I think Daniel should have lost the "honeymoon" part of his description--he should have stuck with "a woman who is 30-50 years old who wants to have a special night" or something like that. I think the "honeymoon" thing made people think "young"--I know Heidi had just gotten married and people get married older these days, but ....
If you look at Santino's baby doll dress, no sleeves is the first way to avoid fitting issues, the high waist and lots of gathering, the uneven hem, are all ways to avoid having to deal with fitting. For the second dress, using the zipper up the front is a time saving method, admittedly, but its also a way of avoiding fitting the waist. Likewise with the poofiness on the side of the hips and the behind, and the gathering on the bodice front. As for the Barbie dress, at first I thought he had more gathers around the pinkish midriff section, then I realized that it was actually stretch fabric, and I'm not absolutely sure that a well fitted dress wouldn't have had fewer rippling lines over her midriff, I think it should have looked smoother. The purple detailing around the breasts and shoulders looks like it might have just been gathered slightly, sewn into the seams and then tied in front (again, no fitting). Oh, and I just noticed all the loose threads hanging from the ruffles on the bottom, if I can see it from the Tivo recording, you can bet the judges didn't miss that, either.
To be fair to Santino, of the three dreadful outfits his team spawned, his was the best of the bunch, and Emmett's was by far the worst. To be fair to Nick, he probably could have come up with some awesome ensembles, but he did try to stick to Santino's aesthetic, which was hokey, to say the least.
As for Daniel F's efforts in the Team Lingerie challenge, I didn't hear anything in the assignment that restricted the lingerie to any certain age group or demographic, even though IMHO it was clear that the producers would have been quite happy with the models prancing down the catwalk with as little clothing on as possible. That being said, however, when Daniel made his presentation to Heidi, he talked about fiances and newlyweds, lovemaking, and said he thought about Heidi. His drawings also did not convey the 30 - 50 demographic. He never mentioned targetting older people until AFTER Tim told him it was very Joan Collins, so I suspect that was an afterthought, a tactical effort on his part to make the older look of his collection seem deliberate rather than dowdy. Problem was, that wasn't what he sold to Heidi, and everybody, including Tim and the judges, knew it.
Santino's comment to the judges that they didn't "get" his designs because it's "Supposed to be taken off"...is stupid and degrading. Dang... I wouldn't wear his designs simply because they look hideous and look too complicated to get off (lol)
Sadly, Daniel's collection was too similar - his were the only ones I'd consider purchasing. They actually look wearable and "removable" if the mood strikes.
baxpup, plus, not all women wear lingerie "to be taken off" i.e. for sexual reasons. They like to feel pretty just as often and if he's thinking they all want to look like someone in the window of an Amsterdam red light district bordello he's wrong.
Kind of looks like Kit Kat Club 2015 meets Toluca dinner theater production of Cats.
Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have.
Maybe lingerie is one thing where you have got to find the female form beautiful... not necessarily sexual but beautiful. So often in fashion I think it is more of an artistic statement about the design itself, and not really made for real women's bodies... but lingerie is something that you would want to sell to many women. Cos you can't really charge $5000 for a teddy. (Well, some places do but I don't think they'd like Santino's designs either - and those are one-off made to fit).
I can see Nick designing something a woman would feel good in... he admired his mother dressing up for those parties. But Santino? I think he's a designer for whom a woman's body is an abstract.