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    Quote Originally Posted by busilis32;2708667;
    Well made and boring trumps badly made and boring, so Ricky stayed in the first episode.
    Unmade and ugly (Carmen's outfit) trumps almost made and boring, so Ricky got a pass on the previous challenge.
    Now this one was tricky. I would have preferred that Steve be put on the block with Ricky. His outfit didn't fit with the other ones. Ricky was a good leader, he helped Victorya and put up with her, and he went to Alisa's planet. I think his own outfit suffered for it. I think the dress Chris made was superb, but the judges may have seen it as safe and boring (and the shoulder pads killed it) whereas Ricky's was kind of ugly and poorly made, but sort of more interesting (at least it was colorful). Call it the Santino rule.
    You would think Victorya, being a woman, would understand how uncomfortable it is to have your breastessess flattened, but that is hegemonical thinking for you. It was funny how the model finally admitted she felt better with Ricky's corrections. She wouldn't have said anything otherwise. What a thankless job these women have.
    or better yet imo--steve on the block with victorya and victorya having got the boot.steve's design was pathetic and way worse than chris' imo!i just didnt want to see ricky go because of victorya is all basically-- i do have that much heart, lol.even though i too hate the hats and the way he acts, uggh--that guy sure can get on a nerve, i'm tellin' you!and in a way even though i lost respect for victorya over how she behaved in the challenge i kinda want to see her stick around, i would rather see her designs/clothes and what she can create than many of the others that are there.

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    According to Nina Garcia's blog on the Bravo site, the reason they do team challenges is because in the real world designers do not work alone, in a bubble. They need to be able to lead a team (design assistants, pattern makers, sample makers, sewing specialists, etc.) which is why they come down hard on team leaders during the eliminations. Designers today (according to Nina) need to also be able to communicate their vision to stylists, magazine editors, etc.

    I personally think they kept Ricky over Chris because he is a "better character" who cries almost constantly and gives them lots of confessional interview sound bites. I was surprised by how obvious the disclaimer at the end of the show is....& I'm paraphrasing "decisions based on judges voting and producer input.....". This is why (IMO) villains like Jeffrey last season or Hung (on Top Chef) do so well on Bravo shows.
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    Re: 12-5 discussion thread **spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by Runway victim;2711469;
    I personally think they kept Ricky over Chris because he is a "better character" who cries almost constantly and gives them lots of confessional interview sound bites. I was surprised by how obvious the disclaimer at the end of the show is....& I'm paraphrasing "decisions based on judges voting and producer input.....". This is why (IMO) villains like Jeffrey last season or Hung (on Top Chef) do so well on Bravo shows.
    I think the producers can help keep an entertaining personality in until the later stages of the game (I still to this day don't understand Wendy Pepper in the final 3, or Vincent and Angela beyond a couple of episodes... Why? Why?????), but at least Hung and Jeffrey were really talented and deserved their wins in the end. The producers would have incentive for keeping an entertaining personality around until late in the game, but not in having that person win.

    That being said, I don't find Ricky more entertaining than Chris, so in this case I really didn't get it. The obvious choice for me, this round, was Steve. He seems very sweet, but his team did poorly in the SJP episode, and his outfit this time committed three sins: it didn't go with the outfits of his teammates; it wasn't great-looking; and it wasn't dancewear! Plus even though he seems like a nice guy, he provides less entertainment value than Chris and Ricky, if that is ever a factor in their consideration.

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    I don't find Ricky more entertaining than Chris either, and I don't think the producers did either, which makes it even more mystifying.

    Ricky has yet to impress anyone, and has been a perennial bottom-3er, and has shown no signs of having something more to share. Chris had also faltered, but he never sent something boring down the runway, and he at least had a point of view. Granted it was an old-fashioned Hollywood POV, but if Austin could make it to the final 4 with that vision, I should think Chris could have gotten a little more consideration for his efforts.

    The judges (and/or the producers) seem to have somehow altered their criteria this season. Things aren't making as much sense to the naked eye as in years past.
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    Maybe they kept Ricky because of his handling of Elisa, rather than his design concept. That and the fact they recognized he had a rough row to hoe with Victorya. As far as Ricky's and Chris' outfits, they were both just off the mark. To my way of thinking, Chris - if he wanted to keep Joan Collins in the loop - should have lengthened the jacket from bolero and swung it out to match the loose swing of the dresses...also he could have used material for it that was more toned toward the beige of the dresses. Ricky's neon Mondrian block scheme would have worked with different material. I am glad he talked Victorya out of the criss-cross faux straps, though. Elisa's jewel toned frames on her cutouts with the swing-line A frame seemed like the most "sixties" dress in the collection.

    IMO - the problem with team challenges on this show - regardless of what Nina has said about needing to lead teams of fitters, drapers, pattern makers, etc. - is that one is leading of team of creative equals. Victorya (while I agree with her p/a problem) was correct in not wanting to lead two others with different design sensibilities. If you've made it to the finals of this show, you've made it because you've shown an individuality in your design vision. How does one even try to blend visions over a two day challenge?

    Kudos to the denim team which somehow managed to find that collaborative ground.
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    Re: 12-5 discussion thread **spoilers**

    Here is the statement from the end of PR & other Bravo shows: "The judges considered both their scores and input from the producers and Bravo in reaching their elimination decisions."

    But I agree with all of the above statements regarding who should have gone.

    I think this season has some top notch competitors but I feel that Rami (at least so far) is being given the "final four edit". He seems to be very talented but more importantly a judge favorite. I can see his win being a much bigger pr coup for PR (sorry couldn't resist). The past season's winners have not done any serious positive publicity for the show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arielflies;2712710;
    Maybe they kept Ricky because of his handling of Elisa, rather than his design concept.
    That's a good point. He helped Elisa make her outfit better than she could have on her own. And he helped Victorya fit her garment better than she would have out of her lazy notions of "flatness." Also, the fact that for all her carping, she pointed this out about him on the runway must have helped him.

    Chris never had a cohesive idea for the 3 pieces other than the color, which is never enough for these kinds of challenges. And Steve ended up keeping his (correct) concerns about Chris' look to himself, meaning that there wasn't an atmosphere of communication among the team.

    I'm still gonna miss Chris though...
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    I like Chris also. I think the reason he went instead of Ricky is because he is

    a costumer. Last year Kayne who is pageant designer almost made it to the

    final three. So many of his designs were good but still very pageant type. I

    loved Kayne's Coutour design IDEA, not the outcome. The fabric, the color.

    The design was brilliant. I'd love to have a dress like that if I still had the

    body. Anyway, I think they don't wish to risk someone with the same

    issue which will show up week after week. The way they no longer allow

    very many Santino----Vincent designs are artworks even if you cannot

    walk or sit or be comfortable in what you are wearing. Designers still have

    the clothes as art work but the female form has to considered in designs.

    Anyway, I am new on this forum but have been watching Project Runway

    since the last few episodes of season one till present.

    Kari Ana

    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoron;2707547;
    Awww. I liked Chris, and his dress from the first week was one of my favorites. Ricky gets saved...yet again. I'm looking forward to seeing Chris in real life. Good luck in your career!

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    I liked Chris' personality better than Ricky any day. Ricky is so dramatic and emotional, it makes me want to gag . . ugh! Chris is quirky and witty, but I understand why they let him go over Ricky. Ricky's team did better with the challenge than Chris' and I think that may have been the key factor in the judge's decision.

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    Tim has said that the producers do not push or prevail in the judging even though they reserved the right to do so. He stated that letting Malan go for the first elimination last season was our proof. Producers would have liked him to stay because he was interesting but his work did not warrent it. They respect the judges decision.

    I understand that designers must work in teams in real life but they are not on a team with other designers. They work with pattern makers and sewers. Teaming with other designers vying for first place in a TV show that will change their lives does not replicate real life, in the least.

    It was clear to me that Chris was the correct choice. Though Ricky's garment was poorly sewn it was a stronger design than Chris had with his poorly fitting and ill concieved jacket.

    So I guess this is all a moot point since we will see Chris come back since a designer is forced to leave.

    So who leaves and why? We see a gay man (good guess) tearing up as the cast is told. Is he a producer or a family member of the designer? And what is the tradegy? I don't think it is the health or well being of a cast member because all the designers are thrown for a loop with this info. They live together and would have some clue if this were the case.

    I am going to guess that a partner or spouse has been killed in an accident or perhaps a parent or sibling.

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