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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowflakeGirl
    Wendy, quit working the Mommy meets Horatio Algier thing. So played out.

    Then her little nod to the Page Six lech, ugh. This woman kisses up like no other, she ought to go into colonics the way she sucks everyone's ass!
    O.O

    I am never going to get rid of that mental image now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariagoner
    He was blazingly, fantastically original in his collection-- reminding me very much of a younger Marc Jacobs. And believe me-- I can have no higher praise!
    Oh, I definitely see that.

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    Please, Kara clearly violated her contract...Hasta la vista, baby? Noooo, she comes up with yet another bogus ploy to cover her first one...and it works...so much for contracts meaning anything. Wendy, played the GAME to win, not to be friends with everybody. Need a friend? Get a dog, loser. Banana Republic does not think her stuff is "dowdy crap," and is going to cash in big on her work...enough said. Jay does not win a single battle, but wins the war! WAY TO GO! Just quit sucking in the cancer spores so that your career won't die early like your lungs will.

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    I'm SOOOO happy Jay won. I only didn't like one of his --the big poofy lavender jacket-- but really only because it was too mid-90's-ish. The rest was ultra cool, well planned, and wonderfully unique.

    I could buy the excuse for Kara's shoe thing the first time around, but after she continued to argue to the point of absurdity, it was really weak. It did show she has pretty fab industry connections (Dollhouse shoes are really cute) and can get things together quickly, but there was something a bit underhanded by the way she called her contact and said, "Don't say anything. Just get me an invoice..." Her earlier designs were better, and pulling the whole concept from a current movie that has already gotten a lot of early press for specifically the fashions is just not that innovative.

    Oh, Wendy...pimpin' her poor kid like that--just so wrong. The kid was cute, though. I really do think she has some marketable talent, just not runway/NYC/couture type. For the niche she's in--ball gowns for political galas and the such--she does totally appropriate work. I could even see her designing for one of the more dowdy mass market lines, like Liz Claiborne--boring yet functional clothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Closet Fan
    Kind of reminds me of this woman who worked in the same place I did, big office, was a real pathological liar, lied about everything, talked about her husband, sometimes he was a composer, sometimes she railed against him because he wasn't working, but never had any pictures of him, he never called, never came to the office, no one ever met him, we all wondered if he even existed at all.
    We knew a girl in college who would be picked up from the dorm by her "boyfriend" Pete every Friday night. No one ever saw Pete. No one had met him, and he didn't go to our college. Add that to the fact that she was klepto, we doubted the existence of Pete to the point we called him Hypothetical Pete. And whenever one of us needed a date for a function but didn't have one, we'd always say we were going with Hypothetical Pete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariagoner
    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! Jay won! His collection was absolutely gorgeous, NOT too matchy-matchy (no matter what Michael Kors said) and good to the very last detail. (Especially those fabulous necklaces!) He was blazingly, fantastically original in his collection-- reminding me very much of a younger Marc Jacobs. And believe me-- I can have no higher praise!
    I think perhaps the reason why Jay triumphed over Kara Saun in this instance (and they both were fabulous, BTW) was he designed for himself, out of his emotional center, and I think Kara Saun was a little too analytical, over thought it, designed to *win* rather than out of her emotional center, her own creative impulses. Kara Saun even gave that away in the beginning when Tim Gunn came to see her collection and she talked about how every piece she thought about would Tim think it was fabulous, would Michael Kors like it, would Heidi wear it. Too much thought, a little too little heart.

    But I'm more than a little mystified why Kara Saun wouldn't take up the bottoms of the long dresses. You spent so much damn time custom designing and getting the shoes, why the heck were you afraid of showing them off?! How was it good to have your models stumbling over the hems, and having to hitch up their skirts, ruining the look, just so they could walk? Doesn't make sense to me. She has such attention to detail, and she didn't consider THAT?

    And the Pepper? Bleh, what a baby and what an instigator. Even when Kara Saun didn't WANT to talk to her, she had to come over and start bitching and fighting and nagging the competition. And the way she treated Jay was criminal. Here's this guy telling the woman you hate to treat you like normal-- and you go and insult him? Way to win allies, bitch.
    I'd love for a psychologist to publicly diagnose her. Someone called Wendy a sociopath in another thread, and I thought that probably wasn't too far off the mark, but others disagreed, so just for fun, I did a little internet research about the symptoms or characteristics of sociopaths, and frankly I learned a lot more about psychopaths, neurotic psychopaths, sociopaths, etc. than I ever wanted to know, but DAMN if she didn't exhibit a number of the primary characteristics! But after seeing her in tears because Kara and Jay were deliberately messing with her by being late and wasting her time, she's probably more of a neurotic or paranoid, everything's about her, everything is about people ganging up against her. She must be really fun to live with. NOT!

    If nothing else, I'm GLAD she and her stupid badly-tailored-charmeuse-and-bare-boobies collection didn't even pose a serious challenge to either of them!
    OMG, you know, I saw that same kind of sheer show your nipples kind of blouses on Wendy's website, and I was completely grossed out. They were so cheezy, such soft core porn kind of stuff, it was revolting. I couldn't believe she actually had that in her runway show, especially with her daughter there, especially for it to be shown on public TV during the dinner hour, reruns during the morning or afternoon, yeah, that's really going to play well in Virginia. Yeck.

    But can anyone explain to me why, after Michael Kors tells everyone to put the showstopper first, well, at least it wasn't the model with the peekaboo blouse, but that wasn't even one of the "strongest" pieces of the collection. The first model is wearing a terrible color combination, I mean red top, camel pants, green and camel jacket, so the colors clashed, the values were all mid-range, so there wasn't even some value contrast, and that was just the beginning. The blouse was so large it looked baggy, and so ill fitting that the model's right boob was practically hanging out of it, and the top on that side was hanging lopsided off the model's shouder, and I'm not sure whether it was deliberate or not, but the model either didn't or couldn't even take the jacket off to show the sleeves of the blouse. Oh, and the cut of the pants legs was pretty dowdy, who gives a thin model with great legs such wide pants bottoms? Ick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Closet Fan
    I'd love for a psychologist to publicly diagnose her. Someone called Wendy a sociopath in another thread, and I thought that probably wasn't too far off the mark, but others disagreed, so just for fun, I did a little internet research about the symptoms or characteristics of sociopaths, and frankly I learned a lot more about psychopaths, neurotic psychopaths, sociopaths, etc. than I ever wanted to know, but DAMN if she didn't exhibit a number of the primary characteristics! But after seeing her in tears because Kara and Jay were deliberately messing with her by being late and wasting her time, she's probably more of a neurotic or paranoid, everything's about her, everything is about people ganging up against her. She must be really fun to live with. NOT!
    Heee... that was me, actually! I'm not a psychologist, but I'm getting a Bachelors in Psychology right now. Obviously, you can't diagnose *anyone* from just seeing selected interviews and actions that they carried out through a television show. Regardless, if I were a personal aquaintance of Wendy, I'd be thinking back to all the times things went missing in my house...

    And to all the "defendys" out there-- who aren't Wendy's sockpuppets-- I must ask. No matter how much you like her or her designs, would YOU like to work/compete with a woman like Wendy? Knowing that you can't trust ANY friendly gesture of hers completely because she might be "strategizing" to get you out of the way?

    I don't think even her best defenders would like to get up close and personal with her-- as opposed to buying things from her. End of story.

    OMG, you know, I saw that same kind of sheer show your nipples kind of blouses on Wendy's website, and I was completely grossed out. They were so cheezy, such soft core porn kind of stuff, it was revolting. I couldn't believe she actually had that in her runway show, especially with her daughter there, especially for it to be shown on public TV during the dinner hour, reruns during the morning or afternoon, yeah, that's really going to play well in Virginia. Yeck.
    The most hilarious thing about Wendy's sheer blouse getup was that (TMI ALERT)
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    her model had lopsided nipples-- one pointed straight ahead and the other pointed right!
    . When I saw the unretouched sheer blouse on Gettyimages, I couldn't stop laughing! Wendy can't even pick her models right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoneGrrrl
    I could buy the excuse for Kara's shoe thing the first time around, but after she continued to argue to the point of absurdity, it was really weak. It did show she has pretty fab industry connections (Dollhouse shoes are really cute) and can get things together quickly, but there was something a bit underhanded by the way she called her contact and said, "Don't say anything. Just get me an invoice..." Her earlier designs were better, and pulling the whole concept from a current movie that has already gotten a lot of early press for specifically the fashions is just not that innovative.
    I have to admit that, much as I like Kara Saun, this whole Shoe Gate thing really disappointed me, especially after watching it again. I don't think she intentionally meant to violate the rules, or even gave the favoritism a second thought beforehand, because she was so open and honest about where she got the shoes and under what circumstances, because in her mind, it was no big deal, it was part of the process. If she'd been trying to conceal things, she could have been more discreet and quiet about it, and possibly nobody would have noticed. Possibly.

    But once she had been informed of the problem, she seemed to regard it more as a nuisance, an impediment to be got around, a punishment for her having had the professionalism, the foresight and the connections to get such a perk gratis, and that's where I have the problem, and am disappointed. Calling up her contact and telling him to bill her $5 a pair, a ridiculously low sum, that was still favoritism, and I don't get why she didn't understand that, or why people would have a problem with it. Instead of what she actually did do, which was try to do a work around, would have been to say to Tim, OK, we have a problem, what will make it right? Instead, she continued to argue with Tim, even when he presented her with the perfect out, you can use the shoes, but the judges have to ignore them. Why argue at that point? Just shut up and be thankful they gave you an easy out, for heaven's sake!

    Hopefully, Kara Saun was stressed out, and just not thinking it out properly, not being well, obstreperous. She's been such a classy act to this point, even though I'm a little disappointed, I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt and put it down to her not thinking about the shoes as being part of the "outfit" per se, that she proceeded in this fashion unthinkingly because this is just the way its done in the fashion biz, and her reaction to the issue was resulting from the stress and strain of the moment, not to any real sense of "entitlement" or that the rules didn't apply equally to all.

    Wonder how Doll House feels about all the unintentional publicity. . .

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    JAY!!!!!!!

    OK, so first off let me say I for one was affected by Wendy's family. I don't like despising people, and in Wendy's case I honestly feel she has social problems, which makes me feel bad for her. Wendy's mom was a sweety, and so was her daughter. Wendy is just so damned awkward, she's her worst enemy.

    Kara Saun was disappointing. First, she wasted way too much energy on Wendy. She didn't have to take it that far, and it just made her tense for the rest of the morning. Second, she could have showed a lot more class during that confrontation. Third, the shoe thing was really a fast one. Then when she tried the victim card, I just wanted to gag. She's done that before, and in light of how nasty she was being earlier in the show, it was really starting to reflect on her overall character. Fourth, I HATE ALL THAT FUR AND EXOTIC LEATHER!!!! It is so nouveau riche, trying too hard to prove status, and tacky tacky tacky. Finally, she really didn't seem to be happy for Jay. She felt so entitled to the win, it never crossed her mind that maybe Jay deserves it.

    Jay was everything I knew he can be. Words just can't match my feelings for him and his work. Jay, listen to me honey. You better do menswear, or else I'm dressing in drag. I MUST HAVE YOUR STUFF.

    Wonder how Doll House feels about all the unintentional publicity. . .
    They got their money's worth, I'd say.
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    Boston Globe already has an article up about tonight's show.
    'Project Runway' comes in for a predictable landing
    By Suzanne C. Ryan, Globe Staff | February 24, 2005

    Why are reality TV finales always bloated, two-hour affairs? If we're lucky, as "Project Runway" viewers were last night, it's so the producers can squeeze in as much melodramatic tension as possible.

    In the many, many minutes before Jay McCarroll won the big prize, there was an awful lot of dressing up, but even more dressing down. The finale of Bravo's new cult hit was a goldmine of what singer Mary J. Blige has called "hateration," as the three finalists, Jay, Kara Saun, and Wendy Pepper, became locked in tense battles of accusation. It started out as pile on Wendy night, with Kara and Jay -- the Bruce Vilanch-looking man with the ever-present hat and shades -- teaming up against her. "Everybody hates you," Jay spat. "You're going to need your soul one day, Wendy, and you don't have it," Kara told her.

    But sometime around the point when Wendy's mother sweet-talked him over cigarettes on a New York hotel balcony, Jay began to migrate to Wendy's camp, particularly after Saint Kara was busted for accepting free shoes for her line. If the producers were hoping for dishy triangulation among the final trio, they got their wish in spades. Naturally, Wendy, she of the two-toned hair and the statement eyeglasses, shed more than a few tears by night's end.

    There was fashion, too, of course. Last night, as well as during the entire season, we got to see exactly how complicated the business and the art of clothes designing truly is. The show was both a confirmation of our worst prejudices about models and design divas, and a revelation of just how much imagination and skill must go into building and showing the most original fashion lines.

    And originality was Jay's trump card, as the judges recognized that fact that his style emanates out of his zany personality, and not from what has already made it into the glossy magazines. His models, many of them wearing headphones, were unique as they walked the runway wearing his passionate, distinctive line. When he was anointed the winner, the talky Jay was overwhelmed and, finally, rendered speechless. As with most reality shows, it's future seasons are bound to be less exciting.

    The finale also featured a few of the "Project Runway" camp trademarks. Fashion director Tim Gunn was on hand to visit the finalists' homes and mention how "terrific" they are. The image of Gunn, so poised and tasteful, standing next to Jay's father's concrete-septic-tank company in small-town Pennsylvania was priceless. And every phrase uttered by host Heidi Klum -- from "Pwoject Wunway" to "You're out" -- brought a smile. It was all frivolous and entertaining, rendering last week's mocking "Saturday Night Live" skit almost redundant.

    Matthew Gilbert can be reached at gilbert@globe.com.
    http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles...anding?pg=full
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    Quote Originally Posted by mariagoner
    Heee... that was me, actually! I'm not a psychologist, but I'm getting a Bachelors in Psychology right now. Obviously, you can't diagnose *anyone* from just seeing selected interviews and actions that they carried out through a television show. Regardless, if I were a personal aquaintance of Wendy, I'd be thinking back to all the times things went missing in my house...
    Well, obviously, you can't really make a clinical diagnosis of someone through TV interviews, but I'd still be interested in what a pro would have to say about her behavior and her motivations. I'm really interested in what makes people say and do the things they do, not just Wendy, but everyone. That's part of the fascination of these kind of shows, the personalities, their interactions, their behaviors under deadlines and stress.

    I did wonder how she and Austin would react to their various situations, Austin being eliminated before the final three, and his collection on the runway getting less than great reviews, but given that Saks Fifth Avenue buyer contacted him, he seems to have had a very soft landing.

    I wonder if Wendy actually read any of the reviews of her work from Fashion Week, or if she did, if she just completely dismissed them. I'm also very curious as to how Wendy really reacted and will react to her placement on the show, a very distant third. If you cut out the dubbed in business in the middle, her elimination did seem very abrupt, very cold, and it almost seemed like Heidi enjoyed it, I'd swear she had a gleeful smirk on her face. I can hardly believe it, even Wendy has commented about how she's not a threat to Kara, she's been in the bottom two every @#$%ing time, but she seemed genuinely convinced she was going to win, completely without any realistic basis for that belief. Making the final three seems to have inflated her sense of her own talent way out of proportion, and I'm curious as to when reality will hit, if ever.

    I can't even think of anything that transpired during the finale that could pass for affirmation of her genius or a career boost, her collection was panned almost universally by the fashion press, it certainly didn't look fantastic on TV, her fellow competitors dismissed not only her likeability as a person but her abilities themselves, no one in the audience said anything about her work, the judges clearly didn't even CONSIDER her for the win, the nicest thing they could say about her was she was tenacious, and the best thing one could say about how she came across as a designer was that she lacked attention to detail and was ill-prepared. I can't even imagine that it hadn't occured to her to think about shoes and accessories, she had absolutely no idea what the makeup stylist was suggesting to her for the runway show, it was definitely amateur hour.

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