And 5Dog - better laughs than tears!
"We don't know how they picked the models..." Come on, get real. It's THEIR show. They can pick whichever models they chose to pick. Just like any fashion designer can pick any model they want for their runway shows. To pretend otherwise is ignoring how a market economy works.
Whether the model in question found their comments upsetting or not, we don't know because they never gave her let her comment.
If you are holding yourself out to the public as doing something good, as this show is, you have a responsibity that goes with that opportunity that you are being given.
If you can't see how people in the public eye have a responsibility, I doubt that anything I say could make you see it. I just feel very sad about that.
Sorry PR fans, we briefly interrupt your regularly scheduled programming:
Just reread my comment, and I’ve disturbed myself this time - I'm not an Enzyte customer or even a customer once-removed. My comment was not meant to be taken “that way” - lest I be Vincent.
And now back to your regularly scheduled program already in progress:
Long live Tim Gunn!
There are numerous flaws with this show and that is just one of them. The issue, however, was their responsibility to the public. They are failing that.
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PR is not real. They are not living a real life of a designer. How many designers work only in recycled materials? How many get the chance to go to the Big Tent at Fashion week? Very few. The designers only get to pick models from the ones supplied, not the ones they might like. Heidi is not the best judge in fashion. Even Tim Gunn, the Parson's master can't pick the winners. It is 100% fake. So why must they be held to some social level of morality? The industry is not. Have you ever heard a fashion model tell you about fashion shoots? About how the clothes are often pinned onto the model and held in place for the best shots? About people who tell you to drop 10 pounds or else you won't work in the business. About designers who get ripped to shreads by critics? That is real. This is not.
The show is not trying to give publicity to new designers. It is trying to make money with the allusion that one of these people could be the next big thing in fashion. But Neither Jay or Chloe have done that. Even Banana Republic dropped them, probably because no one wants to work for them and lose their 'name. The people show up hoping for publicity and of the few who get some most do not. Santino said that so many people contacted him but very few are real with interest in his clothes. One could argue that Kara Sun is the most successful designer from the show. And she didn't win. And she has a business and designed for Heidi. Jay is just a mess looking for attention IMO. Even he admits that being a designer is mostly business and less design, which this show does not teach.
So I ask how why is their some moral requirement when the show is nothing like reality? Why must it be responsible for what some kid thinks watching the show? Is it not some parent's responsibility to explain this is how the world works and you need to get a thick skin to deal with life's ups and downs? Must it end each show saying that all women are beautiful regardless of shape when in real life that is not the case?
2) Believe it or not, there are gay people outside of LA and NYC and other major cities. And most do not look like models. They come in all shapes, sizes, colors, national origins, and ages. Thinking that LA is what all gay people in the USA are like is like looking at PR models and thinking that all women in the 20s look like that. They don't.
I believe people with the greatest income to expenses ratio have the most disposable income. And this sometimes includes gay couples (double income, no kids).
And I am fully aware of the size & shape of gays in America as I have traveled the U.S. extensively through my work.
I wrote that most gay men I know are obsessed with body image. Not that most gay men in LA look like models. Most of my friends do not look like models- that was my point, magazines are not showing accurate portrayals of the culture. And many men feel the need to live up to these images.
I was responding to the previous comments about the pressure we as a culture put on women.
I was expressing an opinion, that gay men suffer from a lot of the same pressure to be perfect & fit a certain mold.
I never said that was right; in fact I was saying the opposite. Sorry if it came across any other way.
Gay men are a population who are at-risk for body image disorders, same as women. Gay men are susceptible to anorexia, bulimia, muscle dysmorphia, and exercise addiction.
There is also an alarming incidence of self-mutilation (cutting) among young women (& young gay men).
My post was more of a "RIGHT THERE WITH YOU SISTERS!" cry of solidarity than an indictment or attack.'
I'm sorry if it was perceived as anything else.
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. -Albert Einstein
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. -Albert Einstein
I disagree when some others here have said that "plus size people shouldn't watch this show". It isn't only 'plus size people' who are offended at the notion that somehow, people who weigh more than is culturally "acceptable" at the moment, are somehow lesser human beings.
And it also isn't true that (as some have said) fashion has "always" catered to "skinny women". I'll see that contention and raise it a Gibson girl and a Lillie Langtry. Rubens to win.
Anyway... the competition here demands that the contestants supercede the average designer's ability, in every challenge. This challenge was to make the most of the everyday woman - using the models they were given. That was the challenge they were given. IMO that should be the only thing in question here - did they do what was asked of them, or not? Designing for a size 4 was NOT the challenge they were given...
Nor was that challenge more ridiculous or less fair than say, designing with paper shreds. At least the everyday woman is a viable market in reality. Paper shreds, garden clippings, and grocery store purchases aren't, so much.