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    Quote Originally Posted by SurrnderDorothy View Post

    On the other hand, look at the photos on packages of men's underwear. Even the largest size has the same 28-inch waist model with the rippling sixpack abs and pecs.

    I'm not sure if this is intended to inspire feelings of inadequacy in male consumers, or if it's intended to appeal to female consumers (I believe studies show more men's underwear is bought by women for men than by men for themselves).
    That's true - those male models really do know how to work it on those covers!

    I think we all know where there's one place of insecurity - 1 billion happy customers of Enzyte can't be wrong
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    And 5Dog - better laughs than tears!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveJoy View Post
    We don't know how they picked the models so we don't know if they did it just to insulf her. And I don't think Heidi is a "0" size model. We also do not know what else they said since the show is completely edited. Those people who feel offended have the option of turning off the TV.

    The modeling world is cut throat and I would gather that the model in question needs to develop a thick skin or get out of the business. It is not a game of doubles tennis in the real world.

    If people continue with this stupid 'what will teenage girls think?' mentality perhaps it should be reminded that it is the parents responsibility to inform their kids about how the world works, how this is TV and not real, and guess what, people do talk about other people's weight, appearance, etc. It is not BRAVOTV's responsibility.
    Lovejoy, I find your post deeply saddening.

    "We don't know how they picked the models..." Come on, get real. It's THEIR show. They can pick whichever models they chose to pick. Just like any fashion designer can pick any model they want for their runway shows. To pretend otherwise is ignoring how a market economy works.

    Whether the model in question found their comments upsetting or not, we don't know because they never gave her let her comment.

    If you are holding yourself out to the public as doing something good, as this show is, you have a responsibity that goes with that opportunity that you are being given.

    If you can't see how people in the public eye have a responsibility, I doubt that anything I say could make you see it. I just feel very sad about that.


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    Sorry PR fans, we briefly interrupt your regularly scheduled programming:

    Just reread my comment, and I’ve disturbed myself this time - I'm not an Enzyte customer or even a customer once-removed. My comment was not meant to be taken “that way” - lest I be Vincent.

    And now back to your regularly scheduled program already in progress:

    Long live Tim Gunn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKat View Post
    If you are holding yourself out to the public as doing something good, as this show is, you have a responsibity that goes with that opportunity that you are being given.
    No they are not. They are trying to make money. They are not trying to do something good. And that is why people who are good people and not drama get cut over those who are all drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveJoy View Post
    No they are not. They are trying to make money. They are not trying to do something good. And that is why people who are good people and not drama get cut over those who are all drama.
    The show, overall, claims to be trying to give publicity to new designers and help their careers. I wholeheartedly agree that they are trying to make money -- they wouldn't be around for three seasons if they weren't making money.

    There are numerous flaws with this show and that is just one of them. The issue, however, was their responsibility to the public. They are failing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKat View Post
    The show, overall, claims to be trying to give publicity to new designers and help their careers. I wholeheartedly agree that they are trying to make money -- they wouldn't be around for three seasons if they weren't making money.

    There are numerous flaws with this show and that is just one of them. The issue, however, was their responsibility to the public. They are failing that.

    Exactly how are they responsible to the public? Be specific.

    PR is not real. They are not living a real life of a designer. How many designers work only in recycled materials? How many get the chance to go to the Big Tent at Fashion week? Very few. The designers only get to pick models from the ones supplied, not the ones they might like. Heidi is not the best judge in fashion. Even Tim Gunn, the Parson's master can't pick the winners. It is 100% fake. So why must they be held to some social level of morality? The industry is not. Have you ever heard a fashion model tell you about fashion shoots? About how the clothes are often pinned onto the model and held in place for the best shots? About people who tell you to drop 10 pounds or else you won't work in the business. About designers who get ripped to shreads by critics? That is real. This is not.

    The show is not trying to give publicity to new designers. It is trying to make money with the allusion that one of these people could be the next big thing in fashion. But Neither Jay or Chloe have done that. Even Banana Republic dropped them, probably because no one wants to work for them and lose their 'name. The people show up hoping for publicity and of the few who get some most do not. Santino said that so many people contacted him but very few are real with interest in his clothes. One could argue that Kara Sun is the most successful designer from the show. And she didn't win. And she has a business and designed for Heidi. Jay is just a mess looking for attention IMO. Even he admits that being a designer is mostly business and less design, which this show does not teach.

    So I ask how why is their some moral requirement when the show is nothing like reality? Why must it be responsible for what some kid thinks watching the show? Is it not some parent's responsibility to explain this is how the world works and you need to get a thick skin to deal with life's ups and downs? Must it end each show saying that all women are beautiful regardless of shape when in real life that is not the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runway victim View Post
    I live in LA so maybe my experience is skewed but 99% of the gay guys I know go to the gym religiously, are constantly on restrictive diets & buy tons of beauty products.

    And most gay publications (non-porn) are not just weight/fat phobic but suffer from severe ageism as well.

    Pick up a copy of Genre, Instinct or Out magazine & you will struggle to find a model over 29 with more than 2% body fat.
    1) I agree that most magazines feature youthful models and mostly youthful people buy them as they have the most disposable income. Most magazines focus on how you can improve yourself for dating and self esteem and that means you have to buy the products. It is called advertising. So will they show guys with guts to advertise swimming trunks? No, it is the guy with a perfectly flat stomach who will sell it because the man looking at it will think 'I could look better if I had that suit.' The guy with the perfecttly flat stomach knows that he can go out in three piece suit and look good anyway.

    2) Believe it or not, there are gay people outside of LA and NYC and other major cities. And most do not look like models. They come in all shapes, sizes, colors, national origins, and ages. Thinking that LA is what all gay people in the USA are like is like looking at PR models and thinking that all women in the 20s look like that. They don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveJoy View Post
    1) I agree that most magazines feature youthful models and mostly youthful people buy them as they have the most disposable income.

    2) Believe it or not, there are gay people outside of LA and NYC and other major cities. And most do not look like models. They come in all shapes, sizes, colors, national origins, and ages. Thinking that LA is what all gay people in the USA are like is like looking at PR models and thinking that all women in the 20s look like that. They don't.
    Youthful people have the most disposable income???
    I believe people with the greatest income to expenses ratio have the most disposable income. And this sometimes includes gay couples (double income, no kids).

    And I am fully aware of the size & shape of gays in America as I have traveled the U.S. extensively through my work.

    I wrote that most gay men I know are obsessed with body image. Not that most gay men in LA look like models. Most of my friends do not look like models- that was my point, magazines are not showing accurate portrayals of the culture. And many men feel the need to live up to these images.
    I was responding to the previous comments about the pressure we as a culture put on women.

    I was expressing an opinion, that gay men suffer from a lot of the same pressure to be perfect & fit a certain mold.
    I never said that was right; in fact I was saying the opposite. Sorry if it came across any other way.

    Gay men are a population who are at-risk for body image disorders, same as women. Gay men are susceptible to anorexia, bulimia, muscle dysmorphia, and exercise addiction.

    There is also an alarming incidence of self-mutilation (cutting) among young women (& young gay men).

    My post was more of a "RIGHT THERE WITH YOU SISTERS!" cry of solidarity than an indictment or attack.'

    I'm sorry if it was perceived as anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKat View Post
    Watch Trinni and Suzanne outfit women of every imaginable size and shape and you might learn something that you don't seem to have picked up yet.

    Sorry for the rant here -- I just totally hate prejudice of all kinds.

    Agreed! They seem to realise that women of all sizes need to leave the house clothed.

    I disagree when some others here have said that "plus size people shouldn't watch this show". It isn't only 'plus size people' who are offended at the notion that somehow, people who weigh more than is culturally "acceptable" at the moment, are somehow lesser human beings.

    And it also isn't true that (as some have said) fashion has "always" catered to "skinny women". I'll see that contention and raise it a Gibson girl and a Lillie Langtry. Rubens to win.

    Anyway... the competition here demands that the contestants supercede the average designer's ability, in every challenge. This challenge was to make the most of the everyday woman - using the models they were given. That was the challenge they were given. IMO that should be the only thing in question here - did they do what was asked of them, or not? Designing for a size 4 was NOT the challenge they were given...

    Nor was that challenge more ridiculous or less fair than say, designing with paper shreds. At least the everyday woman is a viable market in reality. Paper shreds, garden clippings, and grocery store purchases aren't, so much.

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