Yea but what Dave did last night WASN'T about the game at all! 'nuff said about that.... if you want to know why just search my other posts...Originally Posted by Xavier
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Poor, poor overachieving, overstayed your welcome Dave! I think what we saw last night from Dave is the result of way too much thinking. I would bet my last dollar on the fact that Dave knew he screwed up telling Holly that she was his 2nd. He knew it about 5 seconds after it left his mouth.
I think this "manipulation" (of Dave) comes when Keith has no other choice (ie it was justified 100%) ....Dave is the one who makes everyone in his alliance raise eyebrows and why shouldn't Keith call Dave out? The worse thing Keith can do is to stoop to Dave's level and split the Fab Four right in half, jeapodizing their chances to win the game. But by calling Dave and everyone out and straighten things right out in the open is the best thing for Keith and his Barbie alliance. If it was "just a game" like Dave has us believe for the reason for what he did, then he or anyone else should have NO PROBLEM at all to lay it all out in the open. But we all know Dave's kneiving scheme is nothing short of selfishness!
I would never watch a Paradise II. Just not that interesting. Nothing happens. And the people just aren't that interesting.[/QUOTE]
Odd statement coming from someone who clearly spent a great deal of time watching and typing up this V LONG email??? You must have found it pretty interesting?
And you know what? I don't doubt Scott or Keith for that matter was playing the game AS WELL! I don't claim innocent for Scott just because Dave screwed himself..... but the difference between Scott and Dave is that Scott IS playing the game.... and smartly I might add...... he ceases the opportunity to stir things up a little more while Dave was screwing himself over..... and for that matter Keith too took the opportunity to make his own ladder closer to the winning top!
Both Keith and Scott were taking advantage of the situation, there's no doubt in my mind at all! They both played superbly!
Some comments/thoughts...
The difference between Dave & Keith last night was that Dave started off playing offensively and Keith started off playing defensively (because Dave was 'off sides').
Dave's reason for booting Beau over Scott/Keith was that he thought he & Charla were safer w/ Scott/Holly vs. Beau/Amy. If the same reasoning would apply to his next choice (between Scott & Keith), the obvious choice would be Keith because they had an alliance AND Keith/Tara have had Charla's back all along and Scott/Holly haven't. I see no reason why Scott would take offense to that. In fact, he seemed pretty resigned to it already. Therefore, there was absolutely no reason for Dave to pretend that he might keep Scott over Keith at Pandora's Box. And, certainly no reason to get so defensive when Keith asked him why he did it.
Then, Keith starts thinking, "If Dave would lie to Scott - a friend who's "had his back" from day one - then he may be lying to me, too.". Therefore, he feels he has no choice but to do some damage control by pointing out Dave's lack of trustworthiness to Scott, hoping Scott would then consider voting for him. Keith never pushed it to the point where he guaranteed himself Scott's vote. He merely gave Scott something to think about.
Dave, learning of Keith's defensive move, feels totally threatened so tells Holly "you're not going anywhere". Incredibly stupid move. He boldface lies to her again and again as if it's not going to come back to haunt him at some point. He blatantly stabs Keith/Tara in the back by ensuring that Scott/Holly will never vote for them. Will he never learn?
Keith's had enough so he counteracts by getting Scott/Holly/Tara to gang up on Dave and force his hand. Dave continues to lie by saying he had no pact with Keith & Tara before he told Holly she'd be safe. He lies by saying he never had a #2 girl. He lies by implying that he's the only reason Keith & Tara are still there. Finally, he tries to turn the tide by trying to make Keith feel guilty for ever doubting him, 'cause Keith should know he'd never vote them off over Scott/Holly. In doing so, he confesses that he completely, totally and intentionally lied to Scott/Holly, thereby pissing them off and severing any trust they may have had. Yet, they should still forgive him because he's just playing the game the way he's played since day one. Note to Dave: If you've lied and backstabbed since day one, it's not a good idea to remind everyone 'cause they just might think you've been playing them all along and be even more pissed.
I don't think that Keith was asking too much from Dave. He was basically telling him, "I've made it clear that you and Charla have my vote. Tara's made it clear that you and Charla have her vote. Charla's made it clear that Tara and I have her vote. Now, it's your turn.". If one of us goes, we go honoring the pact we made. If we make it to the final, we battle to the finish and may the best/woman man win. That's the deal we made and you're not standing by your word.
Unless there's a twist involving some kind of partner switch, DCKT will be the Final 4. Either couple could win because some people might think an original deserves to win (even if it is Charla), while others might have had it with Dave and want Keith to win. It's anyone's game at that point.
P.S. Did anyone else get the feeling that Amy secretly has the hots for Keith but will never admit it?
Well..hmm...I hope not.
But stargazer, it could very well be that Tara said, "Oh..I don't believe I have to read ANOTHER stupid card in Pandora's box"... to which Holly replies, "OHHhhh believe it TARA!!" :eat
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Yes! I think she secretly had admired him.Honestly.
Boy. Think about THAT!! Where the hell would this show be now if Keith voted Zachass off, and Acmy was THANKFUL!!!! LOL They room together, and wham bam, the first night they have fireworks!!!
I bet she'd realize how stubborn and self-satisfying Zachass is in the sack as opposed to Keith and his uninhibited, unselfish..... lubmaking!!!!!
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Could be. That's about how I feel about Pandora's box.