Tara

[funnygirl422]

Yup, gotta go with fg here. You can flirt without acting like a cheap two-bit whore (in other words, not like Tara/Holly/Desiree/Kristin/Alex). On the other hand, I can understand the need to "have fun", but to me "fun" doesn't necessarily include make-out sessions with multiple member of the opposite gender....

oh, wait... maybe it does.

But seriously, I can understand Charla not wanting to participate in the sex games, because I'm not sure I would either. Some people are just more flirty than others, and some see making out/having sex as a bigger deal than others. Whether that's right or wrong is not for me to say.

I think it's the fact that I am being filmed 24/7 in every room but the "water closet" apparently. I could only think "my parents are watching this". I would have to file bankruptcy for therapy bills I would have to pay for my folks.

[RubenFan#205]

Ruben you are approaching this all wrong. Let me try and simplify my thoughts for you (they tend to get stringy).
1) Charla was not referring to "flirting" in general. She was referring to Kristin/Holly/Tara, etc. for acting like they were in between acts at a local strip joint. The flirting that Charla has done has mostly been behind closed doors. The flirting done on the outside did not involve her putting her tongue down some guys throat after somebody else had their turn with them.

So you are saying it is okay to flirt(like Charla to Andon, Matt, Keith, Scott) as long as you do it in private ? :rolleyes

2) You cannot compare Alex and Kristins deceit at the casino to Tara's strategy at playing the game. They have all been guilty of dissing one of the other guests than flirting with/pretending to be their friend the next. Not to mention that editing is still playing a huge role in what we see. Who's to say that some of the flirting, etc. that has been viewed has not been shown out of sequence by the producers to manipulate an opinion about one of the guests.

Oh please.. what Tara did with Alex went way beyong just some flirting.. They ended up in bed... probably doing it also.. It is true about the editing.. but the TV Tara is a bad bad girl.

[Yellow Apple]

I think it's the fact that I am being filmed 24/7 in every room but the "water closet" apparently. I could only think "my parents are watching this". I would have to file bankruptcy for therapy bills I would have to pay for my folks.

Anytime I did anything, I would always have in the back of my mind "Mom and Dad are watching me right now." Which pretty leaves me like Charla, sitting in my room all day. That's the only way I wouldn't be disowned as soon as I got home. 27 or not, I'd still fear for my life if I got caught on camera doing half the stuff these people have done.

[funnygirl422]

So you are saying it is okay to flirt(like Charla to Andon, Matt, Keith, Scott) as long as you do it in private ? :rolleyes

No, I'm saying it's okay to flirt wherever you want (as long as no one loses an eye) but what those girls were doing was not "flirting" with these guys. Charla has been less promiscuous and if it weren't for those tell-tale cameras in every room we probably would not have known about it. I will state that her getting "drunk, tipsy" and then making her move is pretty lame. I say, if you're going to go for it, go for it. Don't use alcohol to explain your behavior.

Oh please.. what Tara did with Alex went way beyong just some flirting.. They ended up in bed... probably doing it also.. It is true about the editing.. but the TV Tara is a bad bad girl.

Again, something we could only allude to had those cameras not been involved. I'm not saying I'm condoning her behavior, but Alex and Kristin were doing the same things and nobody said anything about their behavior. Early on Alex manipulated quite a few of the "guests" to ensure his spot at the hotel and it was okay. Kristin did a pretty good job of making her rounds too.

Ruben, we could debate this back and forth all day. It's a matter of opinion, perception and frankly, the where and how you were raised. So let's just agree to disagree and go back to enjoying each other's posts.

[fluff]

I can't believe the subject of Tara flirting is getting anyone steamed up.
What's the big deal?
The problem seems to be she flirted then dared to vote Alex off.
She would have been criticised even more if she'd flirted with Alex then voted Keith off.

She flirted, she booted.
I can't see what the fuss is about.
Did she ever say to Alex that she wouldn't vote him off? Not to the best of our knowledge.
He probably thought that by making out with her he stood a better chance of staying, he even jokingly said as much when Holly and Tara were all over him.

Tara is a single girl. If she wants to get some action while she's at the hotel that's up to her.
Alex could easily have refused to have anything to do with her, he did call a halt to things later when she started to get even friskier, he appeared to be lapping up the attention up to that point though.

[Stargazer]

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Tara is a single girl. If she wants to get some action while she's at the hotel that's up to her.
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Yeah, no kidding. Most people (especially in their early twenties) have had those times when they went a little wild. Especially when lots of alcohol was involved. I had a few nights myself that I wouldn't write home about. Maybe it was bad judgement of Tara to do it on national tv, but bad judgement is par for the course at that age.

Besides (I can feel the flaming coming), what's wrong with using your body to get what you want? We use our brains, our willpower, and our sense of humor to get what we want. Why not our bodies? You are only young and hot for so many years, milk it for all its worth. We all try to look good to help us get what we want (although not always to that extent)anyway. You wouldn't dream of going to a job interview without brushing your hair and wearing nice clothes would you?

To top it all off, she never even had sex with anyone.

[funnygirl422]

Yeah, no kidding. Most people (especially in their early twenties) have had those times when they went a little wild. Especially when lots of alcohol was involved. I had a few nights myself that I wouldn't write home about. Maybe it was bad judgement of Tara to do it on national tv, but bad judgement is par for the course at that age.

Besides (I can feel the flaming coming), what's wrong with using your body to get what you want? We use our brains, our willpower, and our sense of humor to get what we want. Why not our bodies? You are only young and hot for so many years, milk it for all its worth. We all try to look good to help us get what we want (although not always to that extent)anyway. You wouldn't dream of going to a job interview without brushing your hair and wearing nice clothes would you?

That's the best version of my argument I've read yet star. Thanks. You're right. When I was in my 20s I used to do that all the time. The pour kid that pumped my gas at our local gas station probably couldn't pay his way through school because he would end up putting more in the tank than I paid for thanks to a pair of short shorts. But I don't think that's what Tara's doing. I think she's actually just having her version of fun. I say: You go girl!

[Stargazer]

That's the best version of my argument I've read yet star. Thanks. You're right. When I was in my 20s I used to do that all the time. The pour kid that pumped my gas at our local gas station probably couldn't pay his way through school because he would end up putting more in the tank than I paid for thanks to a pair of short shorts. But I don't think that's what Tara's doing. I think she's actually just having her version of fun. I say: You go girl!

I agree, actually. I dont think she was conniving when she was macking on Alex. I think that she was macking on him because (besides his personality) he's hot! Who can blame her with all those hard, tanned bodies around?

[RubenFan#205]

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Tara is a single girl. If she wants to get some action while she's at the hotel that's up to her.
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Yeah, no kidding. Most people (especially in their early twenties) have had those times when they went a little wild. Especially when lots of alcohol was involved. I had a few nights myself that I wouldn't write home about. Maybe it was bad judgement of Tara to do it on national tv, but bad judgement is par for the course at that age.

Besides (I can feel the flaming coming), what's wrong with using your body to get what you want? We use our brains, our willpower, and our sense of humor to get what we want. Why not our bodies? You are only young and hot for so many years, milk it for all its worth. We all try to look good to help us get what we want (although not always to that extent)anyway. You wouldn't dream of going to a job interview without brushing your hair and wearing nice clothes would you?

To top it all off, she never even had sex with anyone.

Of course. . there is nothing wrong with using sex to get what you want except we refer them as sluts, whores or to use sex to get money.. we called them hookers..

[fluff]

I have to say I think you're taking you criticism of Tara too far ruben.

She had nothing to gain by hooking up with Alex in terms of the game.
The women were in the driving seat that week and she was voting as a bloc with Charla and Des.

She wasn't using her body to get anything because he didn't have anything to give in terms of the game.
He was powerless that week and one could easily argue he hooked up with her as a way of trying to stay at the hotel.
So that would make him the hooker.