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    Quote Originally Posted by Debb70;4138588;
    I agree Holly and I'm not one to resent helping anyone. Was she on disability. I thought you could only get out what you paid in. Anyway, whatever, the case, it really isn't right for them to disrespect a rental house that way. My goodness. Why were the landlords so calm and accepting? Are you serious? How could they agree to allow those people to stay in that house? What was up with that. There had to be some kind of financial reason that they let them stay unless they are completey out of their mind too.
    I thought that was really weird too...their calmness about the state of their house and the fact that they were going to let them continue to stay there. There must be something else going on that we don't know about.

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    There's so much suffering in this world in so many different forms and I honestly think it's pure dumb luck that I'm not in the situations of so many different people we see on television, whether they are addicts, hoarders, without a home,suffering from an eating disorder (whether it's in the form of obesity or anorexia) suffering from obsessive compulsive disorder, extreme panic/anxiety, post traumatic distress disorder, schizophrenia, an addiction to eating non food items or what have you. But, I sure do understand why so many people carry their illnesses in secrecy and I understand why they feel resentment and hostility because in the end, in their minds, true or not, they are being judged rather than understood.
    That is so well said. It really needs to be said more often. I'm just starting a new job after two years of looking for a permanent one (I was lucky and had contract work), but everytime I hear how the unemployed are just living off the government, I get so angry. I don't think most of them would be this way.

    I also realize this is true for so many situations. I can't help but think somewhere, all the social nets have disappeared and people are falling through the cracks faster and faster. Somehow, people need more help.

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    I've been watching all of the Hoarders episodes, the last ones being of the mean old woman, her poor mistreated animals and the couple with the rabbits. I'm still not sure why I watch this show but I do.

    I was furious, seeing those poor birds, crowded into those little cages, with so many in sickly, injured condition and the goat, with the painful injured leg that she allowed to get pregant. I do understand that it is a mental illness but there are some situations where too much "understanding or caring" is not deserved.

    I feel that way about Hanna (the old woman). It's obvious she is totally unaware of the harm she is causing all her animals but, to me, I wouldn't take the time to try to teach her how to change. The animals needed immediate care and removal from her. Since it's so obvious to us lay-people that she can not distinguish what is good for animals and what isn't, why bother to teach her before taking away the animals or children? She's not going to change her ways. She treated her children the same way as the animals. The best thing for her was to remove the animals and have her under serious medical care for a condition that I doubt will ever change. But until it does, she should not be allowed to have any animals. Remove those who are in danger and then treat her.

    I have different feelings about people who hoard/collect too much and people who allow their surrounding to become toxic with garbage, feces (human or animal), spoiled food, pests, dead animals, etc. Yes, there are degrees of mental illnesses and I think there needs to be degrees of treatment for these people.

    It seems like the goal of every show is to just get the house cleaned out. But there is so much more. Children and animals should immediately be removed until the person can prove, over time, that it will not happen again.
    I know that sounds dreadfully harsh but some mental illnesses can not be cured and I hate to see others suffer while they undergo treament. If after serious treatment, they change, then let them have the children or animals but not just because the house got cleaned up.

    It seems like most of the children (even though adults now) of these hoarders are severly damaged, even if they moved out. How can there be any hope for any young children left with these people?

    Yes, I feel bad that these people suffer from such mental conditions but I don't think it's right to condem children or animals to such a life.

    I keep remembering that one 7 year old little girl who was writing about commiting suicide. What 7 year old thinks about that?? Isn't it more important to save these children (and animals) before treating (if they agree to it) the hoarders??

    Sorry for the rant but these are REAL people with REAL children and animals that are suffering and that bothers me a lot.

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    I ended up watching the previous episode online after seeing all the comments here and seeing the preview. I also happened to peek in on the A&E community boards and saw that the professional organizer who worked with Hanna, Matt Paxton, regularly comments after each episode.
    He basically said that they had local animal control on call for when the time was right. He claimed that right before the local animal control showed up, they had almost had Hanna convinced to turn over all the animals to the animal specialists that were there and that it all went out the window. In the state of Illinois, you cannot simply take away a person's animals. They needed to assess the situation so that they could then build a case against Hanna to the judge to get an order to take all the animals away, hence the animal specialists (aka forensic veterinarians). He said that there was a lot more that transpired during the time that he was there and that only a small portion made it into the episode, so there are a lot of things we the viewers did not see.
    I don't know if I blame the Matt or Dr Robin for how they handled everything, since I really do think they are there to help people. I think I almost want to blame A&E for allowing this to even make it to air. I understand that this is a documentary, but the level of cruelty and neglect going on was staggering and I am sure that there were even more things that they weren't even showing us. What scared me even more is knowing that the court system there is so backed up that pushing a case like this through maybe extremely difficult and time consuming. Maybe that is why Matt made a point of saying what he did, who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psycobabe007;4139310;
    I ended up watching the previous episode online after seeing all the comments here and seeing the preview. I also happened to peek in on the A&E community boards and saw that the professional organizer who worked with Hanna, Matt Paxton, regularly comments after each episode.
    He basically said that they had local animal control on call for when the time was right. He claimed that right before the local animal control showed up, they had almost had Hanna convinced to turn over all the animals to the animal specialists that were there and that it all went out the window. In the state of Illinois, you cannot simply take away a person's animals. They needed to assess the situation so that they could then build a case against Hanna to the judge to get an order to take all the animals away, hence the animal specialists (aka forensic veterinarians). He said that there was a lot more that transpired during the time that he was there and that only a small portion made it into the episode, so there are a lot of things we the viewers did not see.
    I don't know if I blame the Matt or Dr Robin for how they handled everything, since I really do think they are there to help people. I think I almost want to blame A&E for allowing this to even make it to air. I understand that this is a documentary, but the level of cruelty and neglect going on was staggering and I am sure that there were even more things that they weren't even showing us. What scared me even more is knowing that the court system there is so backed up that pushing a case like this through maybe extremely difficult and time consuming. Maybe that is why Matt made a point of saying what he did, who knows.
    I'm sure you are probably right about the fact that we didn't get to see all that happened and I'm sure there are laws that prevent removing the animals until all the red tape is completed. But I just felt so awful seeing the condition of those animals! It was appalling to see such suffering. Then add the emotional struggle her children had, seeing how ill their mother was but remembering the abuse and pain of their childhood, but still felt compelled to do the right thing about their mother.

    I do think the professionals that we see helping these people are really trying their best and probably their hands are tied legally to do anything immediately. I have great respect for them because it can't be an easy job.

    My heart just broke seeing those poor animals. I'm one of those people who'll pay extra to buy eggs that are from free range chickens.
    Hanna's problems started a long long time ago and again, I just felt sooooo bad for her children and the animals and I guess all those feelings just came out here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psycobabe007;4139310;
    I ended up watching the previous episode online after seeing all the comments here and seeing the preview. I also happened to peek in on the A&E community boards and saw that the professional organizer who worked with Hanna, Matt Paxton, regularly comments after each episode.
    He basically said that they had local animal control on call for when the time was right. He claimed that right before the local animal control showed up, they had almost had Hanna convinced to turn over all the animals to the animal specialists that were there and that it all went out the window. In the state of Illinois, you cannot simply take away a person's animals. They needed to assess the situation so that they could then build a case against Hanna to the judge to get an order to take all the animals away, hence the animal specialists (aka forensic veterinarians). He said that there was a lot more that transpired during the time that he was there and that only a small portion made it into the episode, so there are a lot of things we the viewers did not see.
    I don't know if I blame the Matt or Dr Robin for how they handled everything, since I really do think they are there to help people. I think I almost want to blame A&E for allowing this to even make it to air. I understand that this is a documentary, but the level of cruelty and neglect going on was staggering and I am sure that there were even more things that they weren't even showing us. What scared me even more is knowing that the court system there is so backed up that pushing a case like this through maybe extremely difficult and time consuming. Maybe that is why Matt made a point of saying what he did, who knows.

    I believe what you have reported in this post, however, I do not believe what the people in charge have posted about that episode. All states have laws to protect abused animals. They may have had to take photos or get a vet out there and then get a warrant for seizure from a judge, but it is possible. I think tho person(s) who try to make it seem impossible have a vested interest. Either it is in their financial interest to do it their way or it's too much trouble and they had rather leave it to someone elsel, but to say there was nothing else that could have been done is insulting and obviously not true.

    If they claim that woman had actually agreed to surender most of the animals, I don't believe that for a minute. You saw how angry she was. She gave no concessions. If that had happened, they would have aired it. I think sommeone is trying to cover themselves, since viewers were so outraged.

    IMO those "do gooders" were in way over their heads, they refused to admit it, they interferred with authorities who COULD have interevened appropiatedly, and they contributed to the further abuse of many animals. They should admit they messed up and learn from it.

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    The people who were there to check out the animals were from out of state so they had no legal way to remove those animals. They did notify the animal control in her area about the conditions after they couldn't convince her to give up the animals on her own. That's probably how she was charged with animal cruelty or neglect, I forget which one.

    I felt sorry for the wife of the angry rabbit owner of this episode, and then the next minute I would hate her for always making excuses for him. I just can't imagine living with someone who was so disrespectful to me in front of others. Can you imagine how he treats her when no one else is around?

    Hoarders rarely makes me laugh, but I cracked up when the 2 rabbits popped up out of nowhere after the house had already been "cleaned". The organizer lady looked gobsmacked, to borrow a British expression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debb70;4140321;
    I believe what you have reported in this post, however, I do not believe what the people in charge have posted about that episode. All states have laws to protect abused animals. They may have had to take photos or get a vet out there and then get a warrant for seizure from a judge, but it is possible. I think tho person(s) who try to make it seem impossible have a vested interest. Either it is in their financial interest to do it their way or it's too much trouble and they had rather leave it to someone elsel, but to say there was nothing else that could have been done is insulting and obviously not true.

    If they claim that woman had actually agreed to surender most of the animals, I don't believe that for a minute. You saw how angry she was. She gave no concessions. If that had happened, they would have aired it. I think sommeone is trying to cover themselves, since viewers were so outraged.

    IMO those "do gooders" were in way over their heads, they refused to admit it, they interferred with authorities who COULD have interevened appropiatedly, and they contributed to the further abuse of many animals. They should admit they messed up and learn from it.
    Like everyone has said, something is just not right about what went on with Hanna and those animals. I agree with you that Hanna never ever once seemed like she would give up any of the animals except possible a few really seriously ill ones, and even then, she resisted. My heart broke watching that one worker hold that poor dying bird inside her jacket until it died.

    I don't know who the animal control people were who showed up, if they were from another state (???-odd) or what but all of us can agree this was a horrible situation.

    I'm not particularly concerned about Hanna's rights to her animals when they are suffering so much. I'm not concerned with treating her with dignity and kindness etc while these animals are sick and dying, for no reason except that's what Hanna wanted.

    I'm sure mass murderers have a mental illness too but that doesn't mean we have to tiptoe around them and treat them with care and understanding while others are dying....even animals. Where the heck is PETA in all this?? This required more action than throwing blood (or red paint) on people wearing fur coats!!
    (sorry again for venting but it just makes my blood boil when I think about what went on.)

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    Once Hanna's children were taken away from her, she should have lost all rights to own ANY LIVING CREATURE.
    This woman is evil and should have been put away for life years ago.
    She deserves nothing better than the treatment she has shown all others in her life- abuse, and creulty.
    Rabbit boy also needs a good solid beating. And he deserves to be evicted. But his wife, as long as she doesn't allow him in the house EVER again, should be allowed to stay...hopefully giving her the motivation to divorce his mentally abusive,lazy, selfish, ignorant, ass.
    Actually I think rabbit boy and evil Hannah should be forced to live together for the rest of their lives in a very tiny room.

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    I just saw a preview for the season finale... meet Glen, the rat hoarder! You can only imagine.
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