Jon & Kate Plus Eight

[mona lisa]

I just read that Miss Hailey has received some new boobies. Her Mom and Dad were with her. Wonder if Jon paid for them?! New cars and new boobies. What a life!

[Google]

 

[chrisg]

It's also speculation that she's not saving for these children, and she's spending the money like water. Judging by the fact that Jon hasn't contradicted any of that in any of HIS interviews, my guess is that there's some truth to it. I also think that Kate or "her people" were the ones who went to TMZ with this info. Since "printing stuff on someone's say-so" is a good way to get sued (and Harvey isn't stupid) he probably did ask to see proof if a third party were involved.

Right. It's ALL speculation. Including TMZ. I'm a lawyer -- and printing things that are fact is one way not to get sued but you also won't get sued as long as you print speculation and present it as such. In my legal opinion, "We hear" is their quite obvious way of saying -- 'this is purely speculative and not fact'. The bottom line is that they are a gossip site and regularly print purely speculative gossip. And it will always be couched in legally acceptable terms such as “We hear”.

Hospitals closely monitor the children ofl "high risk" births (ie: preemies, multiple births, babies born with disabilities, drug addiction) for the first 3 years of their lives for exactly those reasons. They also make recommendations for specialists and pediatricians who have experience with working with children with disabilities. If you're not meeting those needs, those specialists will report you and the State WILL get involved.

So now there's factual evidence that these children were monitored for developmental delays and are working w/ specialists to reverse it? B/c I haven't seen it and I’d like to. I'd also like citations for precisely how the State becomes involved -- and whether they needed to in the Gosselin case -- b/c those Gosselin boys are now 5 and appear to have the developmental abilities of 3 year olds. It is shocking and it is plain for everyone to see since their parents put them on TV every week.

I'd really like concrete back up for these above assertions stated as fact b/c I also heard Kate's fans insist they were covered by Coogan's law and researched that and found that absolutely not to be the case.

So here’s my personal fact check:

TMZ is a gossip site and prints speculation on a daily basis quite legally by terming it in legal ways such as “We hear”.

It has been factually documented that the Gosselins are under investigation by the PA Department of Labor which legally calls into question their ability to protect/put first the interests/well being of their own children.

The Gosselin children -- those boys, in particular -- strongly appear to be severely developmentally delayed. And it is on display for the world to see b/c their parents put them on TV every week. If it has been factually demonstrated that they are getting them help and it is merely not documented on the show/filmed as part of it, it would really put my mind at ease and I’d love to see/hear the factual citations of it. Thanks.

[Wind Dancer]

Chrisg--hi.

You say--

"I'd really like concrete back up for these above assertions stated as fact b/c I also heard Kate's fans insist they were covered by Coogan's law and researched that and found that absolutely not to be the case."

I'm not challenging what you've said--Can you direct us to where that info is? I'd really like to see what's being said about that from a legal standpoint.

Thanks for any further info.

[chrisg]

Originally Posted by chrisg

This appears to be inaccurate information you are repeatedly posting Kao. You seem to be referring to the Coogan Law. It is not in effect in PA. Here is the SAG site which clearly identifies the four states in which it is in effect. It also requires parents to set aside 15% of the assets -- not "the bulk".

Coogan Law | Screen Actors Guild

Here it is, WD. It was stated -- as fact -- several times in the thread that the Gosselin children were covered by a law and that the law requires parents to set aside the 'bulk' of the assets the children earn for their later use.

I researched it and found the law, found that children in PA aren't covered by it and it only requires parents to set aside 15%. Above is the link.

ETA: I saw that a couple of posters -- including yourself, WD -- were talking about it recently and was going to post it again. And that was fine. You were just wondering if they would be covered which is natural. The facts, sadly are, that they aren't. I would just appreciate it that if people do state something in declarative terms, that the facts go along with that b/c otherwise it can be very misleading.

[PugMum]

Originally Posted by mona lisa

I just read that Miss Hailey has received some new boobies. Her Mom and Dad were with her. Wonder if Jon paid for them?! New cars and new boobies. What a life!

I read that too! This was posted on another site and I thought it was a HOOT:

Hailey is USING Jon for publicity. She tried to get on reality shows but failed. He promised Hailey a clothing line with him. She may end up with a clothes LINE in the back yard. Jon is not marketable anymore.

She and jon have "twitter" accounts and supposedly all she tweets is how bored she is from sitting around all day. She did spend one day watching "Saved By the Bell" and she thinks Zac is a 10 out of 10.
Jon has really moved up in the world. I say GOOD for him!

[grapenuts]

Originally Posted by mona lisa

I just read that Miss Hailey has received some new boobies. Her Mom and Dad were with her. Wonder if Jon paid for them?! New cars and new boobies. What a life!

Well since her dad is a plastic surgeon, I imagine she got them done for free.

[MizDaisy]

Well since her dad is a plastic surgeon, I imagine she got them done for free.

As shown in this article, Hailey is leaving Natural Images located in Nyack NY with her parents. Natural Images is where Hailey's dad practices plastic surgery, so she got them done for free.

Star Magazine | News | Exclusive: Jon Gosselin's Girlfriend Gets a Boob Job!

Hailey, who was caught on camera walking out of Natural Images in Plastic Surgery in Nyack, N.Y.,

Dr. Glassman
Dr Lawrence S Glassman | Dr Laura A Sudarsky | Plastic Surgeons | Nyack

[Kao]

Originally Posted by chrisg

Right. It's ALL speculation. Including TMZ. I'm a lawyer -- and printing things that are fact is one way not to get sued but you also won't get sued as long as you print speculation and present it as such. In my legal opinion, "We hear" is their quite obvious way of saying -- 'this is purely speculative and not fact'. The bottom line is that they are a gossip site and regularly print purely speculative gossip. And it will always be couched in legally acceptable terms such as “We hear”.

Fair enough. I assumed she (or "her people") went to TMZ with this information since all the stuff I've seen them put out there is pretty much true.

So now there's factual evidence that these children were monitored for developmental delays and are working w/ specialists to reverse it? B/c I haven't seen it and I’d like to. I'd also like citations for precisely how the State becomes involved -- and whether they needed to in the Gosselin case -- b/c those Gosselin boys are now 5 and appear to have the developmental abilities of 3 year olds. It is shocking and it is plain for everyone to see since their parents put them on TV every week.

I'd really like concrete back up for these above assertions stated as fact b/c I also heard Kate's fans insist they were covered by Coogan's law and researched that and found that absolutely not to be the case.

I've never mentioned anything about Coogan's Law, but again, this is the standard procedure hospitals take with all high-risk births and no, this isn't an issue that most parents have to deal with, seeing how most births in the US are "normal." Talk to any nurse or social worker who works in ICU and they will tell you the same thing..

I didn't say that the State got involved with J&K; what I said was this:

They also make recommendations for specialists and pediatricians who have experience with working with children with disabilities. If you're not meeting those needs, those specialists will report you and the State WILL get involved.

Again, this is standard. Doctors are required by law to report abuse. Having a disabled child and not following up on that child's medical needs is considered abuse. It's generally not an issue because parents make those appointments...why wouldn't they? You're a lawyer, I'm sure you probably know at least one hospital social worker who can confirm this.

Something else to keep in mind is that developmental delay is exactly what it is...a delay. Much depends on the child, their particular disability, how they respond to different types of therapy, etc. You can put a group of children together with the same diagnosis and have differing rates of success. We also don't know what their diagnosis is--we can only speculate and quite honestly, there's a LOT of things it could be (delayed development, spectrum, autism, etc). Personally, I think they're on the spectrum but at that age there's a lot of things that overlap. *sigh*

[chrisg]

The system unfortunately doesn't always work as it should and many, many, many things and children fall through the cracks of our system every day.

I will continue to believe that the Gosselin children are developmentally delayed and are quite likely not receiving help to counter it unless or until I see a factual citation that they are, indeed, working with specialists to counter it.

They may be, but I certainly haven't heard of it and it certainly isn't reflected in the lack of cognitive and verbal abilities of those Gosselin boys.

[chrisg]

Originally Posted by Kao

The good news is that the bulk of ithe money IS put away for the kids, for precisely this reason. No more child stars finding out they're broke (or only have $500 left in the bank) when they hit 18 because of greedy parents.

Originally Posted by Kao

There is if you have SAG union people on your set (in this case, the Gosselin House crewpeople).

Originally Posted by Kao

I've never mentioned anything about Coogan's Law

What law are you referring to then that the Gosselin children are protected by which requires their parents to put away the 'bulk' of their earnings? The only SAG related law I can find is Coogan's Law.

And don't sigh at me...