Jon & Kate Plus Eight

[PugMum]

Originally Posted by Taddy77

~ Those picture's of Jon and his gf and him partying way back in the early spring started cropping up before the last season ended.
~AND THEN just before this season started there were more pictures and video's of Jon and his GF all over the place.
~NOt classy. Your marriage was NOT over yet Jon!!! You could not wait, at least for your children's SAKE, to get with your new lady friend until you separate from their Mother?

Bottom Line: Jon cheated on her, he can deny it, but come on. The public wasn't born yesterday! There are rumor's(like Kate and her BG Steve) and there are Jon and this 23 yr old school teacher! it's all but been confirmed by pictures and videos. Come on Jon, just you've been caught out in public and way too many times with the SAME above mentioned woman, EVEN IN UTAH at the same resort snowboard together. Oh I suppose you just ran into each other there right?! Jon until this separation, would have had no reason to be spending time with that one woman. In fact Jona married man should never have been out with this woman in public when his marriage is rocky. AND especially NOT away on public vacations with this specific woman who isn't his wife, or partying with ONE specific woman that ISN"T his wife. WHEN YOU KNOW THE PAPARAZZI IS WATCHING YOU DOOFUS!!!

I pretty much agree with all that you say. Except..... a real lady would [B]never [/b] bed a married man. No matter what shape he says his marriage is in.

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[maude~flanders]

They must think we are fools to believe that they just seperated. It is obvious that this marriage has been over for a long time and they were just playing their parts to keep the show and money flowing. Kate's contempt for Jon has been apparent for a long time. There is no way she was still in a relationship with a person she treated like that. The only reason they came out with all of this is that Jon got sloppy and it was too obvious that he had moved on with his life. Kate's new relationship was easy to hide because it is normal to travel with your bodyguard, besides the fact that she is smarter in general.

[dizfan]

[quote=win-place-show;3540644;]Jexter I agree with your whole post and the part I quoted I have a quibble with, but NOT with your thoughts. I respect all your thoughts on the show and I do not want to seem argumentative. I agree they did the show for financial security....but why did they need such a large amount of security? Kate was/is an RN and they make good coin. If a Kate supporter says, "What about college" I may open a vein. If Mady and Cara go to college at the same time and all the sextuplets go at the same time they will have eight kids in college and they will have financial aid coming out of their ears. Even if only four were in college there would lots of aid. And what is wrong with working through college? And hand me down clothes or thrift store clothes that don't match? And living in a nice house (their previous home) with modest vacations?[quote]



SO true. I would imagine there will be colleges willing to cut a deal to get some of these kids to matriculate there. As you said, there will also be financial aid, grants, loans, work/study options. I also hate it when people think this is all "justified" to send the 8 kids to college. Which would the kids prefer - a normal life or this circus to pay for their college?

[Margaritaville]

Originally Posted by sukee

So, are you saying that he should stay in a loveless marriage just because of the kids? That doesn't help anyone, especially the kids.

Not at all - I was referring to the fact that Jon is a parent first - his play time is a distant second at this point. He seems to have forgotten that. I was all for him standing up to Kate and her treatment of him, but as far as his wanting time for himself now seems a bit self-centered. He laments the fact that his youth was spent married and making babies, and he "missed out". Too bad.

[PugMum]

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

Not at all - I was referring to the fact that Jon is a parent first - his play time is a distant second at this point. He seems to have forgotten that. I was all for him standing up to Kate and her treatment of him, but as far as his wanting time for himself now seems a bit self-centered. He laments the fact that his youth was spent married and making babies, and he "missed out". Too bad.

If Jon would have manned up and actually taken on his role as husband and father eight years ago when his twins were born, it could very well have saved their marriage. Jon has always acted like child. He has always made faces at the camera when Kate talks and like said above he has made fun of her figure to the camera. None of that is either saintly or mature.
Kate is a type A personality. Type A's take charge. Like I said, if jon wanted to be treated his age he should have acted it.

[fluff]

I don't know where people keep getting the idea that Jon didn't take his role as a father.
Kate has said that the twins had the best of everything, didn't know what a hand me down was until the tups were born and has also said that they didn't get and didn't want any help from anyone.
They did it all themselves.
If Jon was such a crappy husband and father at that point how did they provide for the twins and why on earth would Kate want more children with him?
That makes no sense to me at all.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to keep bolding words, but they aren't his twins, they're their twins.
Jon was quite happy with just having two children, even Kate said his first reaction when he learned that they were having seven more was to worry about the impact that would have on the twins.
Hardly the reaction of someone who wasn't being a father to the children they already had.

The failure of the marriage is down to both of them, imo.
Both are far from perfect, just like the rest of us, but there is simply no evidence that I can see to back up the claim that Jon isn't a decent father.
Kate making fun of his grammar, bald spot, tummy, breathing, attempts to lose weight, ability to cook etc. isn't "saintly or mature" either.
Being type A doesn't qualify you to treat your spouse like crap and being type B doesn't mean you have to just sit back and take it.

I don't understand the need to apportion blame in this, they're both at fault.

[win-place-show]

A nurse and an low to mid-level IT person wouldn't make enough money to support 8 kids.

Then why didn't they stop at the twins? Because Kate wanted to try for one more. And yes Jon should have put his foot down said look we are low level IT and an RN so let's stop with two.

But Kate has always been about what Kate wants.

And I, too, have no problem with wealth. Exploiting your kids is not the way to do it.

but there is simply no evidence that I can see to back up the claim that Jon isn't a decent father.
Kate making fun of his grammar, bald spot, tummy, breathing, attempts to lose weight, ability to cook etc. isn't "saintly or mature" either.
Being type A doesn't qualify you to treat your spouse like crap and being type B doesn't mean you have to just sit back and take it.

I agree 100%.

[Jexter]

Originally Posted by dizfan

Jexter I agree with your whole post and the part I quoted I have a quibble with, but NOT with your thoughts. I respect all your thoughts on the show and I do not want to seem argumentative. I agree they did the show for financial security....but why did they need such a large amount of security? Kate was/is an RN and they make good coin.

I didn't take offense. I think we are saying the same thing just from different angles. Although, I think when the show first started, they probably weren't getting paid very much because both Jon and Kate continued to work. Now-a-days, the family has plenty of cashola and can move on from the show if they wanted to - which it appears they don't want to do (quite honestly, I wouldn't either so long as things were going well with the family...which they aren't for Jon and Kate).

I love these message boards. Even though they are about things none of us should probably care about (celebrities and reality shows, etc.) enough to spend our precious personal time commenting on, they do have a few fundamental benefits which allow me to justify my participation:

1) They are a great outlet for me in my personal life. I can rant all I want about something when I can't do the same in real life. Venting is a great stress reliever. It doesn't even matter what it's about.
2) While we all know everyone interprets the world differently, the exent of that divergence was never as clear to me before visiting "the boards". I am constantly amazed at how different we all interpret the VERY SAME THING. From AI to the Bachelor/ette, to Jon and Kate.
3) They are great entertainment. Reality TV by itself probably wouldn't be as tantalizing without being able to swap opinions about it on the boards.

100% consensus will never be achieved by humans on any issue - celebrity related or not.

The one thing that bothers me is when people claim something is true simply because of conjecture. I would have held out for Kate not being such a bad person had everything just been conjecture. However, there are too many people who have stepped forward to confirm her nasty, greedy behavior - not to mention the endless berating of Jon on the show for the whole world to see. I would count "eyewitness accounts" as proof positive that Kate is all the nasty things everyone in her life says she is.

Where Jon is concerned....I am not saying he did or didn't have an affair. Yes, the pictures lean that way, but I'm not going to believe it until Jon says it out loud.

Also, let's not forget the fact that there is speculation that Kate cheated as well. In fact, I saw an interview with Kate's brother and his wife (the one who babysat for Kate but who Kate wouldn't allow to be paid as part of the show). They said Jon approached them some time ago very upset. He told them he thought Kate was having an affair with her bodyguard and he was extremely upset. This was a LONG time ago - well before the pictures surfaced of Jon barhopping and hanging out with the teacher. In other words, Kate MAY have had an affair well before Jon MAY have had an affair. Please note that Kate's brother and sister-in-law have weighed in in support of Jon (not in believing that Kate had an affair that I'm aware of but just in general).

If Jon did have an affair, Kate could have used that information to rip Jon apart and kick him to the curb in an instant. I wonder if the fact that she hasn't done so is that Jon has dirt on her which he would share with the world in an instant if she threatened him. MAYBE that is it.

Plus, the gossip on the street is that they have had an arrangement for a long time whereby they each do their own thing. I imagine affairs would fall under this umbrella given that Jon sleeps in separate quarters.

This whole affair thing is nothing but speculation and hence it should irrelevant to the rest of us. Whether or not either has had an affair has not been proven, and I'll give both the benefit of the doubt until they admit they have had them. And, if it ends up being true that they agreed to allow each other that freedom, then neither is at fault.

For now, for today, all that has been documented (by what appears to be most everyone Kate knows) is that Kate is a shrew and Jon has had enough.I support Jon 100%.

Kate is SOOO bad that I would support Jon 100% even if he did have an affair and she didn't. My only question is why it took him so long.

[Jexter]

Originally Posted by fluff

I don't know where people keep getting the idea that Jon didn't take his role as a father.
Kate has said that the twins had the best of everything, didn't know what a hand me down was until the tups were born and has also said that they didn't get and didn't want any help from anyone.
They did it all themselves.
If Jon was such a crappy husband and father at that point how did they provide for the twins and why on earth would Kate want more children with him?
That makes no sense to me at all.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to keep bolding words, but they aren't his twins, they're their twins.
Jon was quite happy with just having two children, even Kate said his first reaction when he learned that they were having seven more was to worry about the impact that would have on the twins.
Hardly the reaction of someone who wasn't being a father to the children they already had.

The failure of the marriage is down to both of them, imo.
Both are far from perfect, just like the rest of us, but there is simply no evidence that I can see to back up the claim that Jon isn't a decent father.
Kate making fun of his grammar, bald spot, tummy, breathing, attempts to lose weight, ability to cook etc. isn't "saintly or mature" either.
Being type A doesn't qualify you to treat your spouse like crap and being type B doesn't mean you have to just sit back and take it.

I don't understand the need to apportion blame in this, they're both at fault.

100% agree with everything here! Had to bold it...

I actually think Jon is a better father than Kate is a mother. He actually interacts with his kids - he plays with them and gives them warm hugs and kisses. It is clear to me that he adores his kids. I've stopped watching the show but I recall in older episodes, the kids are always hugging and kissing Jon but they don't do the same with Kate. It's as if she is untouchable. I recall one episode where one of the little girls told him she didn't want him to ever leave again (he must have just come back from a trip) and she hugged and kissed him with pure delight and absolutely no fear. I've never seen any of the kids hug and kiss Kate they do Jon.

I do believe Kate loves her kids more than anything, but she approaches parenting from a drill sergeant perspective. There is no emotional bonding going on at all. At least not that I can see.

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Originally Posted by Jexter

100% agree with everything here! Had to bold it...

I agree with you Jexter, Fluff your post is on the mark!

One thing is for certain there is no denying what is on film and the way Kate treated Jon is on videotape forever. When the kids are older and understand relationships better and watch the dvds of the show, they will no doubt agree that their mother was the cause of the breakdown in the marriage. I also have no doubt that they have witnessed far worse than any child should have as far as arguments and fighting between Jon and Kate. I have read stories of Kate throwing oranges at Jon and then begging the film crew to erase the evidence. I have also read stories of Kate beating the kids. The look of anger on Kate's face when she was hitting poor Leah was scary but telling....she is a very "cold" person.
What I find interesting is that Kate's mother had her when she was 16 or 17 years old and Kate is the second child. I don't think Kate's mother was very nurturing and Kate has said that she was raised in a very strict household maybe its the reason Kate is the way she is. The kids are fortunate to have Jon in their lives, he is obviously the better parent. So what if he wants to have a little fun? He is responsible when it is his turn at home with the kids and he displays the love and affection the children do not receive from their mother.
People can blame the breakdown all they want on Jon having the affair but when you take into consideration all the other facts such as the interviews done by Kate during this time, it was obvious she was hiding something....that something is that the marriage was broken long before the "alleged" affair.
If you remember the episode when Jon took Cara skiing, Cara breaks down and says she misses her mother, I think she already knew there was trouble in her parent's relationship and she was not missing her mother per se but the family unit as a whole.