Jon & Kate Plus Eight

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Originally Posted by Bunny555

A former neighbor of Jon&Kate ,who has had his own books published by Zondervan the Christian publishing house, isn't as enamored of Kate as the moms in that forum.

learning my lines. . .: Jon & Kate. . . Too Late?

Thanks for the link, that was an interesting read.

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[MizDaisy]

Thanks for the link, Bunny. Very interesting to read a firsthand account of a neighbor's experience, one who is clearly very dedicated to his Christian faith and found he needed to make these observations about the Gosselins. Good for him for speaking out, but I wish he (and the other neighbors) would have done it sooner. I hope they'll be just as forthcoming if they have an opportunity to provide input to the PA Dept. of Labor investigation.

[PugMum]

Originally Posted by PugMum

My nephews wife belongs to a "Christian Moms" forum. She told me that several months ago it was posted on there that Kate is getting counseling from her Pastor. Supposedly Kate is the one that put the book release and tour on hold and she was willing to fore-go the advance to do so.

I asked her to send me the links to all of this. Hopefully her kids will cooperate and let her spend a day or two on the computer while she finds them. haha!

Niece also said that it was widely known that when Kate found out that jon had taken his $(ut on his ski vacation that Kate had begged jon for couples counseling. He refused telling her that he was perfect just as he is since he had women lined up down the road waiting for him and that she was the desperate one that would never be able to get another man in her life.
Niece said it was reported that it was jon that started the rumor about Kate and her bodyguard hoping that she would look good to other men to get him off the hook. haha Leave it to passive Jon to let someone else do the dirty work.


Just like what is reported in all of the gossip rags, I take it all with a grain of salt.
I mean really, If the rags posted the truth then based on all of the "baby bump" photos Jen Aniston would have kids by John Mayer AND Brad Pitt and KAtie Holmes would have had about six or seven babies in that last three years. Not to mention that Katie and AJ are BFF's and their girls have never ending tea parties.

Gossip rags will print anything to sell that rag. Funny how as the general population is on "J&K" overload the rags conveniently say that "Kate" doesn't want to talk. Um, maybe it's because she was never "talking" to begin with. And the smart population is tired of the stupid "gossip" ie., lies.

No where in this post did I say that the CM forum sided with Kate on anything. From what I got from my niece was that many were extremely upset with BOTH J&K for turning away from God for the evils of money.
Niece said (which I take to be the general of that board)that IF J&K had filmed the 40 episodes for a year or two and banked it for the family's future then there would be less of an outcry.
Even the vacations would be okay. But the outcry came when the money went to both of their heads with all of the non stop material items like motorcycles for one and sports cars for two. She said that Kate also has her own sports car (which would not surprise me).
It's that kind of stuff that bothers me. NO parent (especially the mother) that has 8 young children needs a sports car or motorcycle.
If either parent needs an "out", well, GEEZ they have 26 acres that they can go for a run around. Clear their head and then get back to the reality that THEY created.

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when the money went to both of their heads with all of the non stop material items

The money LITERALLY went to Jon's head with the hair transplant!

upset with BOTH J&K for turning away from God for the evils of money

I am sure the famous biblical quote will show up soon so I'll just get it out there: Money is fine. God has no problem with money. Money is not the root of all evel, the love of money is the root of all evil. Jon and Kate have a right to make a living, we all do, but it seems their love of the dollar was clouding their judgement.

Remember that episode where they had a misson statemet? They were going to be disciples of Christ and make Christ known? To put family first? To make God the center of their marriage? (crickets chirping)

[causingchaos]

The second they decided to go on TV is when they decided to put the money first and their family second. They treated those kids like a commodity right then and there and the Christian community supported and applauded that. They applauded a mother who would travel around the country without all her children in town and who epitomized greed with all the stuff they were acquiring. The reality is if she didn't want the stuff she could have told those same companies to take that stuff directly to charities for kids who could use it or who wanted it.

I didn't buy into this whole notion that this family was holier than thou ever and fell away from their value system. I think we're all looking at what their value system actually is and they never fell away from anything. Just their fans fell away from them.

I have never watched an episode of this show or any of the other family exploitation shows. I have no desire to. I get enough exposure to this hot mess through all the other media.

[Jexter]

My thoughts are that they did the show because the had to, i.e. it was a way to financial security for their 8 kids. It seems that once it took off - latter part of S1 and then from S2 on - things. More accurately, Kate changed.

Jon has been grumpy about the show from the beginning and remains so today. However, he knows its a source of incomed - good income - and he will put up with it for that. I don't slight him (or Kate for that matter, in the least for that perspective). However, I have yet to see Jon turn into an arrogant, rude fame-whore the Kate has. And so far, I haven't heard a single report that he's been otherwise.

For now, I lay all this on Kate's door step. She is honestly off her rocker. I don't understand how people can continue to support such a mean and greedy person. My goodness. She leaves a trail whereever she goes.....Her in-laws, neighbors, co-workers, everyone she meets at local stores - and even her own family have turned on her. She is just THAT bad. I don't understand how she still has supporters when people are lining up to tell their stories about what an ass she is.

If Jon ever did do or say something to offend Kate, I can only believe that it was in self-defense and much deserved.

I hope Jon reigns supreme in the divorce. I wish Kate would leave the country or go somewhere where she isn't plastered all over everything....She is so disgusting. It's just very hard to watch.

[candor]

Originally Posted by Jexter

For now, I lay all this on Kate's door step. She is honestly off her rocker. I don't understand how people can continue to support such a mean and greedy person. My goodness. She leaves a trail whereever she goes.....Her in-laws, neighbors, co-workers, everyone she meets at local stores - and even her own family have turned on her. She is just THAT bad. I don't understand how she still has supporters when people are lining up to tell their stories about what an ass she is.

I'm kind of surprised, too. Maybe it's because people feel they have to align with one side or the other, so those who dislike Jon automatically support Kate by default and vice-versa. That's silly, but whatever.

What's disturbing is that Kate doesn't seemed to have gained any insight into herself or acknowledge that her behavior can be appalling. You'd think that being in a TV show alone would hold up a big enough mirror that you'd want to fix your flaws. Or when the public is telling you you're acting like a "witch with a capital B" (love that post, BTW), you'd think it would sink in then. Instead she rationalizes, justifies, blames and acts even bitchier, more condescending, self-righteous and selfish.

This seems to be a pattern on reality shows that is kind of fascinating. The people most disliked -- I'm thinking of Spencer Pratt or to a lesser degree Vicki Gunvalson -- just get more obnoxious. They're emboldened rather than chastened. We need a psychologist to explain that one.

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Originally Posted by Jexter
My thoughts are that they did the show because the had to, i.e. it was a way to financial security for their 8 kids.

Jexter I agree with your whole post and the part I quoted I have a quibble with, but NOT with your thoughts. I respect all your thoughts on the show and I do not want to seem argumentative. I agree they did the show for financial security....but why did they need such a large amount of security? Kate was/is an RN and they make good coin. If a Kate supporter says, "What about college" I may open a vein. If Mady and Cara go to college at the same time and all the sextuplets go at the same time they will have eight kids in college and they will have financial aid coming out of their ears. Even if only four were in college there would lots of aid. And what is wrong with working through college? And hand me down clothes or thrift store clothes that don't match? And living in a nice house (their previous home) with modest vacations?

And now Kate seems single minded about continuing the show no matter what. There are other options for Kate but she can't see them. I personally would like her to go to law school as her kids are going to sue her and Jon someday looking for their cut of the profits of the show.

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I think the problem is for me that there's getting by honestly and doing the best you can do. And then there's living in excess. It appears that this is a case of living in excess. Wants vs. needs. I need a roof over my head. I want an prohibitively expensive house.

Many people with multiple children make it just fine and even send their kids to college with out the aid of television. Where I live it's not unusual that there are families with 8-12 kids reasonably close in age and many of those children go to college, make a life for themselves and have very comfortable lives growing up without the help of extra funding from television.

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Originally Posted by PugMum

Niece said it was reported that it was jon that started the rumor about Kate and her bodyguard hoping that she would look good to other men to get him off the hook. haha Leave it to passive Jon to let someone else do the dirty work.

A well-regarded Morning DJ in Detroit is quoted as saying he saw Kate and her bodyguard walking through the lobby of a local Marriott holding hands while in town for a speaking engagement. Maybe Jon told her to do it to get the attention off him for a day or two.

Link to an article about one of Kate's recent appearances:

Kate Gosselin could learn parenting lessons herself | detnews.com | The Detroit News