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    I hope she is gone permanently. Did Drew discover that her drama did not contribute to the ratings?? I didn't see the newest episode but I did see that Seath has been returned to SH....so that is all Drew has to do....find some previous clients and bring them back

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    Seth definitely felt like a last minute pitch hitter.

    Someone please tell Dr. Drew he is not a psychiatrist. Or if he did train in that field he needs to undergo some counseling himself asap. Telling one patient bluntly that she distorts, when she has no insight capable of handling that, or another patient he is 'dead' is frighteningly abusive.

    (It is not generally considered therapeutic to outright tell a patient what is wrong with them mentally/emotionally as bluntly as all that.) He dropped quite a few "F bombs" during his 'intake talk' with Seth as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandy;3858507;
    Seth definitely felt like a last minute pitch hitter.

    Someone please tell Dr. Drew he is not a psychiatrist. Or if he did train in that field he needs to undergo some counseling himself asap. Telling one patient bluntly that she distorts, when she has no insight capable of handling that, or another patient he is 'dead' is frighteningly abusive.

    (It is not generally considered therapeutic to outright tell a patient what is wrong with them mentally/emotionally as bluntly as all that.) He dropped quite a few "F bombs" during his 'intake talk' with Seth as well.
    He seems to treat certain patients as `friends' rather than consumers. He's really blurring the ethical line seperating the personal and the professional. Many years ago, toward the end of her life, Marilyn Monroe's pschiatrist, DR. Greeson, had her move in with him and his family, my jaw dropped learning about this. It reminds me of how Dr. Drew behaves with some of these `celebrity' clients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibot2much;3858445;
    I hope she is gone permanently. Did Drew discover that her drama did not contribute to the ratings?? I didn't see the newest episode but I did see that Seath has been returned to SH....so that is all Drew has to do....find some previous clients and bring them back
    I read somewhere that her manager (who also manages Seth and a few other celebrity `addicts') told her to act out as much as possible. He was rather proud of himself when he talked about it in an interview ( I think the name of the site is Celebrity Beast). He's the guy who used to manage Mary Carey. He says his job is to find work for the addicts he manages. He only manages people who are damaged in some way because reality tv loves these types of people and it's constant income for him as well as income for his `clients.' Apparently, he has himself a cottage industry and he's making a lot of money. His philosophy is act out as much as possible because you'll wind up getting more`work' on these type of shows. He also said Dr. Drew is not the same guy that he was at the start-now he worries about lighting and how he looks and so forth. Not sure whether to believe that, but something has changed in the way Dr. Drew practices.
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    Holy cow, these people are unbelievably lazy, disrespectful and have such a sense of entitlement-except for Dennis and Real World guy who actually worked their backsides off on the farm and did so respectfully. They gave it their all and didn't whine. I was also impressed with Dennis comments about working with the farmer-about how it's such a hard job with long hours and very little money is earned at times. That he said it to the farmer in such a kind and respectful way makes me think maybe there's hope for him yet. He just seems to be in a very tricky place where he could easily step back into his old way just as he could make the decison to take another step toward sobriety. It's weird because he can be such a stubborn, childish a## and a minute later he's thoughtful, sweet, dedicated and determined.
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    Great comments redsox girl! Especially loved the Dr. Greenson reference. I'd love to pursue that whole side topic but it would mostly not be on topic so I'll restrain myself and just say, Dr. Greenson seriously needed countertransference counseling! The rumor was of an affair, as well. And he was supposedly there the night she died, and Eunice Murray the 'psychiatric nurse' he hired was very questionable (and supposedly not a nurse) at the very least. Some doctors definitely can do more harm than good.

    As to the broken-down celeb's manager guy (David?), sleezeball but at least he's open about his sleezeball status I guess! No brown bag label there. (Perhaps unlike...)

    Quote Originally Posted by redsox girl;3858675;
    He also said Dr. Drew is not the same guy that he was at the start-now he worries about lighting and how he looks and so forth.
    Ugh. I've hesitated to say, because I don't have resource for these statistics (since I was told this by others who 'know' in RL) but, doctors have one of the highest rates of clinical narcissism of any profession. I was told something like 50 percent! And according to Dr. Drew's own book, (which again I don't recall now, which source he used) the highest rate of Narcissists on television is among...reality tv participants. And Dr. Drew is both. I guess I am starting to accept my disillusionment about him and decide that if it quacks like a duck...!

    Still, it is a shame.

    About Dennis, I think he is a genuinely kind person, he seems to act out when he feels someone is trying to pressure or control him. That may relate back to his childhood, who knows. He usually calms down and complies eventually though, once he feels 'safe' perhaps.

    I thought everyone on the hay bale team worked well - Jennifer didn't say much but she worked well. Heidi is a hard worker, no one can call her a slacker in anything she does (maybe her choice of work could use help Lol) although she wouldn't do it long without some payoff (She said she'd do anything asked of her, for a little while. The show does pay a lot.)

    Tom, Mike, and some others just acted like spoiled brats, which is decidedly unappealing in middle aged people! They got away with it when young and famous I'm sure!
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    What kind of credentials does Dr Drew have? Is he a psychiatrist, a psychologist, none of these? A psychiatrist is a medical doctor who went through medical school and then specialized in the field of psychiatry. Didn't Kari Ann say something to him like, "You're not even a real doctor."? Did I hear that right? Also, at the end of one of the shows, there was a tribute to a Dr. Pinski, Sr. I guess that was his father and wonder what kind of doctor he was.
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    Drew is an MD but not a psychiatrist. Nor is he a psychologist. He is an internist and "addiction medicine specialist" which is one of those loose credentials that one can get that isn't really recognized as very important. Like I can get credentialed by an organization in geriatric stuff in my field if I take the test, pay the fee and have the experience but it is utterly meaningless to my licensing board, potential employers etc. It's just some extra letters and a title one pays for.

    So he's not really even a licensed counselor either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by causingchaos;3859368;
    Drew is an MD but not a psychiatrist. Nor is he a psychologist. He is an internist and "addiction medicine specialist" which is one of those loose credentials that one can get that isn't really recognized as very important. Like I can get credentialed by an organization in geriatric stuff in my field if I take the test, pay the fee and have the experience but it is utterly meaningless to my licensing board, potential employers etc. It's just some extra letters and a title one pays for.

    So he's not really even a licensed counselor either.
    Appreciate the info. I just didn't know. I'm disappionted that he is none of the things I thought he was. How can he really help these people win their sobriety? I can see where he can guide them through detox, but not through the mental and emotional aspect of this disease.
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    Jennifer summed it up best with Kari Ann. She needs an institution right now. She's got some obvious psychiatric issues (in addition to just being a flat out spoiled bee-yotch) that need to be dealt with first before the issues with sex and drugs can even be addressed. Being kicked off two of these shows (and probably would have been kicked off Celebrity Rehab if it weren't for Dr. Drew) is pretty telling.

    However, it looks like Mike is allowed to stay based on later clips in the supertrailer, which would be extremely disappointing in my book. He's obviously trying to get better, but he did the exact same thing to a cameraman that Kari Ann did. Why would he be allowed to stay if she's kicked out?

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