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    $200,000 x 3 that can allow Kari Ann (or anybody) "to buy a house and sock some away"......or blow it all away.

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    Artie Lange received the offer long before his suicide attempt. He said he would never do Celeb Rehab. He hasn't returned to Howard Stern. Not sure if he ever will. Also, I don't think every "cast member" receives that much $$. Some more than others, I would guess.

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    Jen, the House Mother, seems to have lost weight from last season. She looks great. She had a hard time with her position last season, and looks like it's going to be even more stressful for her this season. Going by the season previews, she seems to get warned by Dr. Drew for losing it with Mike, and swearing at him.

    Glad to see Jenny (the other Jen; AKA the former porn star Penny Flame), again. I've been following her blog from time to time, and I really like her. She has remained really committed to her sobriety, and working hard to make things happen in her life.

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    Can't tell where that house is, but in the Hills somewhere. Those run a ways, though. A lot of $1mil-plus houses are sitting empty these days. That level of the market has really dried up. There are probably a lot of those for rent/lease.

    Or is this literally Jen's house? I didn't watch Sober House last season. Is it the same house each year, or is it one of those rental deals, like in Surreal House?

    Anyway - Kari Ann, same stuff, different day. Why is Dr. Drew still begging her to stay? It's getting past icky. I hope we get to see more of the saner cast members, such as Jenny, and Dennis...Kari Ann seems in no way interested in change. Pretty hilarious when Jenny et al cracked up at the juice mention. I also loved Jen's "She either has to be coming down from drugs, or a serious psycho."

    Can they not line up a crate of juice boxes under Kari Ann's window on arrival, and say, "go for it?" But then of course it would be something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daiseyo;3854053;
    Jen, the House Mother, seems to have lost weight from last season. She looks great. She had a hard time with her position last season, and looks like it's going to be even more stressful for her this season. Going by the season previews, she seems to get warned by Dr. Drew for losing it with Mike, and swearing at him.

    Glad to see Jenny (the other Jen; AKA the former porn star Penny Flame), again. I've been following her blog from time to time, and I really like her. She has remained really committed to her sobriety, and working hard to make things happen in her life.
    It does look like Jen lost some weight, and she does look much better. That seems to be a common thing in the second season of these shows. While people are cringing through the airing of the first season and trying to digest the vast difference between how they thought the presented themselves and how they actually present themselves I think it's only natural for that also to serve as enough impetus to get serious about getting back in shape. I realize she had a short show biz career before, but it has been a long time. Perhaps she just didn't realize. Either way, yea for her!

    And yes, it does appear that she at the very least gets a warning about how she interacts with the patients. I hope that is all it is though. I felt really bad for Selma when she was fired because of KA. Sadly, it was for good cause that they let her go, but holy cow! Once she was fired, and in a very public way too, she would have been well within her legal rights to have KA charged with battery or something. I mean, if you throw a beer bottle at someone on the street, your butt is going to jail. You cannot be required to sign away your legal rights under a contract for something like a TV show, but if she had followed through with the cops and got her pound of flesh out of KA it might have made it hard for her to get another job. I really don't know where the staff of those places find the patience and self control to do that job. I know I couldn't do it. I hope Selma landed on her feet though.

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    Hope so too. I liked Selma, a lot. But I think the moment she agreed to get Kari Ann's juice, her fate there was set. Kari Ann just seems toxic to anyone within her grasp. I wonder about bona fide treatment programs - would patients be allowed to fling heavy vases at staff? Totally could've taken out a knee. It hit the wall with a thump. Mike is volatile, as well; looks like Jen gets in trouble for losing her temper with him verbally. It must take a saint to work at those places. I don't deal well with big liars, so I'd last about five minutes before one had me cussing, probably.

    Are staff members not allowed to use bad language in rehab places? I'd think curse words would be flying fast and loose almost daily. It isn't kindergarten.

    So, what did Jen do before Sober House, Omar_X? She looks really familiar.

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    Staff using bad language varies treatment facility to treatment facility and patient to patient.

    In a real treatment facility Kari Ann would first of all likely not been admitted into the levels of care she was admitted to. If she was admitted she would have been quickly discharged to a higher level of care and not given special treatment. In most treatment facilities the time detoxing is not counted toward your days of treatment. As I said before after detoxing on this show some of these people get a week or two of actual good treatment and then are expected to make it. In most halfway houses ("sober living") patients are not admitted if they are testing dirty. It indicates they need a higher level of care than the halfway house and someone coming in dirty and/or using jeopardizes the sobriety of the other patients. Half way houses are meant for people who are not using, who are working a program and are out of treatment but that need a more supportive environment at the moment to maintain sobriety (as in there are people using at their homes, they are homeless etc.). Sober living isn't very realistic of the halfway house.

    And in most treatment centers if a client is aggressive against a staff person such as by throwing a vase they are usually discharged. Then again in most treatment facility it wouldn't be allowed to escalate to that degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandy;3854376;
    So, what did Jen do before Sober House, Omar_X? She looks really familiar.
    The most notable thing that I'm aware of is her appearance Blow. Here is her IMDB page.

    As for Kari Ann, her only currency in life is her looks and they are fading fast. If we're really going to drill down to the true reason she is still on these shows, isn't it because of her looks? I also suspect Dr. D's intentions with her aren't exactly reflective of the highest professional ethics. All that meth has made her look hard and older than her years. I agree that "toxic" is the single best word to sum her up. She doesn't appear to be very bright, so her only hope of hanging onto the easy life she has had is to marry a rich guy and I mean soon. Her utterly unpalatable personality is going to ensure her relationships don't last long. Under all the addiction excuses she has I think there lurks a true borderline personality, and the outlook for them is never good. I just don't see anything but spiraling tragedy for her. I mean, I realize something could happen with her that suddenly gets through to her in a big way, and I truly hope it does, but I wouldn't put money on it. I just pray she never has kids, because she is going to screw them up in some really creative ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandy;3854370;
    Or is this literally Jen's house? I didn't watch Sober House last season. Is it the same house each year, or is it one of those rental deals, like in Surreal House?
    It's a rental.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omar_X;3854373;
    And yes, it does appear that she at the very least gets a warning about how she interacts with the patients. I hope that is all it is though.
    From the season previews, I *think* I saw what appeared to be a clip of Jen at a later date, so hopefully she just received a warning.

    Quote Originally Posted by causingchaos;3854391;
    Staff using bad language varies treatment facility to treatment facility and patient to patient.
    That is shocking to me. In a professional setting, "bad language" normally isn't acceptable, although I know there are exceptions. JMO, but I would think a treatment facility would be even more strict with enforcing that. Not that a staff member should have to take abuse, but they should remain professional, and realize the patient is "sick." Discharge the abusive patient, and/or arrange another level of care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daiseyo;3854476;
    It's a rental.



    From the season previews, I *think* I saw what appeared to be a clip of Jen at a later date, so hopefully she just received a warning.



    That is shocking to me. In a professional setting, "bad language" normally isn't acceptable, although I know there are exceptions. JMO, but I would think a treatment facility would be even more strict with enforcing that. Not that a staff member should have to take abuse, but they should remain professional, and realize the patient is "sick." Discharge the abusive patient, and/or arrange another level of care.
    When I talk about "bad language" I'm talking about staff dropping the F bomb or swearing not being verbally abusive against clients. It's not unusual to hear staff swearing it is a reality of the business. Clients swear and at times staff swear as well. Again it varies facility to facility and client to client. Swearing and verbal abuse are entirely different things.

    Also there are some seriously fine lines between the "sickness" and the "excuses" staff have to negotiate that fine line so they ultimately do not end up enabling. On the season of sober house I saw I saw some crossing the line into enabling instead of holding people accountable for their actions.

    But then again this isn't a real depiction of treatment so I can't really hold them to that standard.

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