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    While I feel sorry for Amy, because she seems so frail, I have a hard time with some of her claims. For instance, she said when you're famous and you're so pretty, naturally people are going to want you to do porn. Okay, she's fairly infamous, if not famous, and she's not completely unattractive, but are all such people latched onto by the porn industry? And even if you're asked to do porn, do you have to do it? I know she said she had no other choice, but surely there had to be some other options, even if she had to create them herself by, say, going to school and learning a skill. And they've yet to really address the whole Buttafuco issue in therapy, which certainly has contributed to the mess she's in now.

    Frankly, I'm also tired of so much of the show being devoted to her and Michael Lohan, though I realize that's the producers' decision and not their fault. After hearing about what Bai Ling went through in Tibet, I'd really like to hear more about her, because that's really a horrendous case of governmentally sponsored sexual abuse of a minor that still has her believing that somehow her abusers deserve pity for what they did. The fact that she's still so openly trying to please/help others is sort of heart-breaking, because it's hard to tell if that's simply because she is a sympathetic person (and I think she is) or because she feels she always has to please everyone else before thinking of what effect it may have on her.
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    I stumbled on this really brief article where Bob states he regrets creating this show.

    The Clicker - Man behind 'Celebrity Rehab' now regrets show

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    That was an interesting link. I never knew that Bob Forrest came up with the idea for the show--he plays such a background role--but I can see his frustration.

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    I think Dr. Drew was right when he said Amy Fisher is stuck in a victim role. In her world the only thing worse than shooting someone in the head is being reminded that you shot someone in the head. She may have paid for her crime in the justice system, but she's never really owned it and that's what's keeping her stuck in a spiral. Think how different her life might have been if she'd gained some insight into herself, talked about it openly and sought redemption. Patricia Hearst did that and she's as respectable as they come these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by candor View Post
    I think Dr. Drew was right when he said Amy Fisher is stuck in a victim role. In her world the only thing worse than shooting someone in the head is being reminded that you shot someone in the head. She may have paid for her crime in the justice system, but she's never really owned it and that's what's keeping her stuck in a spiral. Think how different her life might have been if she'd gained some insight into herself, talked about it openly and sought redemption. Patricia Hearst did that and she's as respectable as they come these days.
    I agree with your points about Amy seeking to reclaim her life, but I think that the Patty Hearst situation is different. Patty was kidnapped, held as a prisoner and brainwashed. There's a syndrome named for what happened to her. It's similar to how the enemy gets captured soldiers to sign statements denouning their country. Back then what happened to Patty was not as understood as it is today. I think many people agree that the prosecution of Patty Hearst was very wrong. It's good to know that Patty has made peace and living a happy life after what happened to her.

    I didn't know Bob created Celebrity Rehab either. He seems to really care about the patients. No one seems to be able to get over on him. Does he still have say so about how the show is operated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by candor View Post
    I think Dr. Drew was right when he said Amy Fisher is stuck in a victim role. In her world the only thing worse than shooting someone in the head is being reminded that you shot someone in the head. She may have paid for her crime in the justice system, but she's never really owned it and that's what's keeping her stuck in a spiral. Think how different her life might have been if she'd gained some insight into herself, talked about it openly and sought redemption. Patricia Hearst did that and she's as respectable as they come these days.
    What always interested me about Amy (and granted I haven't followed her heavily over the years) is that she has never actually owned any of her choices she made. It was her choice to get that gun out and shoot Mary Jo. But yet you never really hear her saying, "You know I made a horrible mistake. I shot that woman. I feel terrible about what I did. I screwed up. I own what I did and I am really sorry." Instead what I've heard on/off over the years is a lot of Joey blame. Not that he's innocent but at the end of the day it was Amy who pulled that gun out and shot her. She can't be Joey's victim for ever and not be accountable for that.

    Then the porn career. She made the choice to continue it. Granted she may or may not have chosen to have that video released by her husband of them having sex. But she likely did consent to it being filmed in the first place. She then continued to act in porn and pose nude and what not. She's the one who was doing feature dances in clubs. Not her husband. Not society. And I would venture to guess that many people would be perfectly fine with her never showing any of her body parts again. The first movie was an interesting train wreck by some random famous person but after the first one the novelty kind of wears off. I would venture to guess as well if she did something like, oh, change her name that the majority of people prior to this show wouldn't know her from any one else on the street. Yes she will have to admit her criminal background on a job application in all liklihood but there are many people with criminal backgrounds who put their nose to the grindstone and work at themselves. She chooses to remain the victim of the world.

    She has been a lifelong victim and I don't know if she honestly has any concept of how to be accountable. If she's not the victim then what would she do? You know?
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    I saw most of last night's show. I will watch it in full later. What I did notice is that Mr. Lohan seems so nuts IMO. I mean, who wants to be a person who can have their buttons pushed so easily. He's had MAJOR negative consequences in his life because of his temper. Whether it's true or not, lots of people have accused him of being violent. I can't say that I doubt them based on what I have seen. He's a big hot head. Right after Dr. Drew explains that he must pull back and not let people push his buttons, he goes right back and flies into a rage over some silly accusation from his drunken ex-girlfriend. I also got the feeling that he may have done it for attention. I've always been blessed with the gift of patience, so perhaps, I don't get the rageaholic thing, but I would not give someone the satisfaction of pushing me into a heart attack.

    Something tells me that the best thing for Mr. Lohan would be for everyone to just ignore him. Let him scream, run around crazy, and yell like a lunatic and see who cares. They should just stay calm and let him go.
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    Anyone and everyone who do porn movies are automatically referred to as "porn stars."
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    When people say that they had no choice to do porn, I think they mean that their finances were not so that they could support themself without the income. Let's say you live in CA and your rent is $2,000.-$3,000.00 per month. That is very low based on what I hear about the cost of living in CA. Then you have utilities, food, health insurnace, car payment, taxes, tags, car insurance, etc. Just the basics are going to cost you more than a person with limited education and a felony conviction can make in one month. So, when an adult entertainment producer offers you $50,000.00 to do a movie, that would be filmed in 1-2 days, I can see how it would be difficult to turn it down, because it would take you 2 years to earn that much money in a regular job.

    Granted, if she hates doing it, then she shouldn't, but what else is she going to do? Some schools do not accept students with felony convictions. Plus, how would she live while going to school to get a degree? I guess it's possible, but not from someone who has no academic drive and is addicted to drugs or alcohol.

    Which leads me to the question as to how does Kate Major support herself. According to Michael, she was living in an apartment in Hollywood. Off of what? Does she even work? I don't get it. OH, Michael did call her a hooker in the last episode. I wonder if he really meant it.
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    Re: Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew Pinsky

    Quote Originally Posted by Debb70 View Post
    When people say that they had no choice to do porn, I think they mean that their finances were not so that they could support themself without the income. Let's say you live in CA and your rent is $2,000.-$3,000.00 per month.
    Nah. You can rent for a lot cheaper than that if you are not picky. I lived a good portion of my life in Northern and Southern California. I googled to see and, for example, average rental prices within the Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County CA area (ApartmentRatings.com renters survey.) for this year: one bedrooms $1,275 and for two bedroom $1,496. If you are not picky, you can find stuff for the high 600s (bad areas bad apartments from what I can tell).

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