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    He does have the credentials for his medical degree, but from everything I know/read he doesn't have his Psychiatry degree which is a whole other step. He certainly has the education, but I'm not so sure how current his practices are and whether those would stand up to the continuing credits/education, etc. Some of his methods, on the show, really seem outdated and have been shown to be less effective.
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    He has no psychiatry degree, and equally important, no legitimate training in counseling or therapy, which is what he is claiming to provide. His methods, as they are shown on tv, are outdated at best. They may be effective for some people, but they are not really respected therapy techniques.

    Psychiatry and therapy are two very, very different things. Just as psychiatry and psychology are two very different things. His degrees show that he understands what effect addiction has on the body, and to a certain extent, the mind. They do NOT indicate that he is qualified to treat the psychological and emotional aspects of addiction, or any other mental health issue.

    This is clearly evidenced every time he hosts one of the Teen Mom reunion shows on MTV. He consistently counsels these girls to forgive and stay with boys who hurt them, treat them poorly, and negatively effect their self-esteem and thusly their children's lives. He has no more business presenting himself as a counselor or therapist than anyone else.

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    Ok I will try this again because apparently I didn't explain well enough.

    In order to practice medicine with a specialty one should have the appropriate credentials. Dr. Drew is an MD who is credentialed in addiction medicine (which is a fluff credential) and in internal medicine. this fluff credential indicates only that Dr. Drew has knowledge of how addictions affect you with some brief ideas about how to threat it. But it is more about treating the medical aspects of an addicted person.

    Dr. Drew is not credentialed in psychiatry. Once you graduate from medical school you choose different paths and do a series of internships in whatever you decide to specialize. Those who specialize in psychiatry have specialized knowledge in therapy, medicines and psycho-pharmacology. They do upkeep on their credentials by focusing on these areas with the continueing education requirements.

    Dr. Drew does not hold a psychiatry credential. He holds an internal medicine credential. Means he knows how to treat your body.

    All MDs have to take a psychiatry class at some point in their schooling. All MD's gradate from college with about the same general education. It's what happens afterwards in the credentialing phase of your career which determines how you specialize. Some people credential in gynecology, some in internal medicine, some psychiatry. I'm quite sure you would not want your psychiatrist who had teh obligatory OB/GYN course doing your yearly or delivering your baby.... just like I wouldn't want my internal medicine specialist handing my mental health because he had an obligatory psych class. I could teach a psychology class but I'm certainly not a psychologist. He can teach a psychiatry class but he's certainly not a credentialed psychiatrist.

    Also most states you need to be licensed to do stuff like provide therapy. There is specific education for the different types of counseling there is out there. He is not a counselor. He is an MD. Vastly different education involved here.

    I liked him better when he stuck to his internal medicine stuff many years ago. He was very knowledgeable about that and provided a lot of good information.

    ETA: For all licensed professionals there are numerous fluff credentials as well. Just because a person has a long list of credentials or letters after their name doesn't mean a thing. It's all in how much you pay for some of these things with a very weak test or weak work histories that are needed. The credentialing agencies always look so good but they're essentially meaningless.
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    What exactly is he doing that is so egregious and contradictory to current wisdom in the field?

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    Causingchaos,
    I agree with your comments about how Dr. Drew sometimes overlooks abuse behavior between the parents on 16 and Pregnant and Teem Moms. That makes me furious. I'm not sure why he does it. He must know from feedback that viewers hate it.

    I also do not like that he seems to tolerate too much drama from the Celebrity Rehab patients. I try to understand it, though. The show while it tries to help people, must also make money. If they don't make money, they will be cancelled. In order to make money they have to keep the patients in the facility for so long as possible. Granted if someone was assaulted, they would be sent packing. (Remember when the rehab staff person struck a patient a season or two ago? The staff member was fired on the spot.) Yes, the disruption is annoying and not helpful, but these people are getting free inhouse care plus a salary, so I guess they have to endure some annoyances. I know it sounds bad, but I think that's the reality of it.

    I have more confidence in Dr. Drew than you do. I do think he knows a lot about addiction and other areas. OH, what about his treatment approach do you consider outdated?

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    That's why I don't watch this show and think and it's "treatment." This is just a TV show with a bunch of celebrity addicts gathered in one spot to me. It's not remotely representative of treatment.

    What is so egregious about this is first of all he's not a licenced counselor. He's not even a credentialed psychiatrist. He's an internist. Plain and simple. He is working outside his scope of practice. Lots of people credentialed as he is specialize in treating the health of addicts but they do not go out there and work outside of their scope of practice with their patients. That is unethical.

    It is unethical to take people into a treatment program who are not appropriate for that level of care which he does repeatedly on this show. There are numerous people on this program that need a much higher level of care and more intensive or specialized treatement due to the TBI or mental health issues. Nope he puts him here because he makes money.

    It's very poor treatment to include detox as part of the treatment process as people only get a couple (if that) good weeks of treatment. You can't get good treatment while you're detoxing. Again different level of care and different needs to be met.

    His discharge planning is poor. Not all addicts need a halfway house on discharge. That's an antiquated method of discharge planning from inpatient treatment. Some need a half way house. Some need a phase II program. Some need to do meetings. Some need to focus on psychotherapy. Some just need to simply go home.

    Like I said I liked Dr. Drew when Dr. Drew stuck to what he knew best instead of his own fame. Waaaay back when. Honestly in the realm of treatment professionals this show is treated like a joke and just watching a hot mess which is why I watch it on/off. I like seeing the hot mess but I'm extremely dismayed that people think this is how treatment actually works.

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    One of the things that bothers me above his "treatment" is that it gives the wrong idea to people unaware of licensing and credentials. Just because you have your MD does not mean you're able to provide therapy. Or just because you've specialized in an area does not mean you're licensed to practice. It makes it hard for those who do have the credentials. Just because you're licensed in one area doesn't mean you can do it all! Like Dr. Drew is unethically doing.
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    I understand that this is a TV show and therefore is not a realistic portrayal of addiction therapy. But I recognize that because my parents are both in the psychology field, and my mother IS an accredited addictions therapist. I'm not sure that the public at large does realize that, especially because he markets himself and his show as therapy/rehab. Which is simply not the case, and simply unethical.

    The majority of my experiences with him have been his guest spots on other shows, in which he is *certainly* promoting himself as a therapist. This casts a shadow on his integrity. I don't think he is a bad person, I think he honestly wants to help people. But he simply isn't qualified.

    It's true that you can practice therapy without a license and do fine - in fact, it's a part of getting your license. You graduate from grad school, then you start doing field work - under supervision. You have to do an insane number of hours under supervision before you can even register to take the test for your license. Your supervisor has to be approved by the licensing board in the state in which you're applying. Doctor Drew has taken none of these steps. As CausingChaos said, you wouldn't want your OB/GYN to suddenly decide they were also qualified to handle your neurology, would you?

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    I think there is treatment going on behind the scenes that the viewers do not see. That's why they are in a rehab facility. The part we see is for entertainment I guess.

    I read a couple of years ago that Dr. Phil is no longer licensed to pratice as a psychologist. What he does on his show it interviewing and giving his opinion. That's why he refers everyone out. Sort of like a life coach.
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    But he's not presenting himself as a therapist. Dr. Drew is. And if he's doing the "behind-the-scenes" therapy you think is going on, that's gross malpractice.

    I read an article about him in Rolling Stone (the actual magazine, or I'd post the link) and it made me nauseous. This man has the whole world fooled in a way that is both terrifying and dangerous.

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