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    Quote Originally Posted by Debb70;4125793;
    You are probably right about that, however, if Leif does not have insurance nor the money to pay for that individual care, he may have to accept with what he has. I hope he settles down and is able to stay sober.


    Hadn't thought about his financial situation, but of course, you're right. Sadly, treatment for lots of illness comes down to insurance and finances. It does bother me, however, that the show seems to bring together people who aren't at the same stages of their recovery at all. Some just don't seem ready to benefit from the kind of treatment available at the Pasadena Recovery Center, and obviously it would be best for everybody if they only accepted people for the show who were liable to succeed.

    Honestly, with this group, I can see where the more mature and/or quieter residents could find it very hard to deal with the louder, more deliberately combative residents. I've never had an addiction issue, and I'd have serious problems trying to deal with people like Jason, Janice, and Mrs. Cole (I can't think of her name at the moment) myself. Their behavioral issues are such that it makes me think that some people are just being quiet and shutting down because they don't want to get involved. Jason, in particular, seems to take some kind of weird delight in tormenting the women---I notice he doesn't try his adolescent nonsense with the guys. Frankly, he needs to learn how to deal with being part of a group, period, before he can ever be a part of a therapy group. His sense of privilege is really annoying. I'm surprised he hasn't been called out on his nonsense by Dr. Drew and told to rein it in or be handed a behavioral contract.

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    It's not unusual to have people at different stages of recovery in treatment. It's actually kind of useful in group work.

    What bothers me is that this is a 28 day treatment program. There are people who need a higher level of care than that that end up on this show. More over they're detoxing as part of the 28 days. Which basically leaves people in the end with a week or so of actual, beneficial treatment.

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    Honestly, the immaturity is pathetic. I wonder if those people, Janice, Frankie, and Jason (Gummy Bear) were mean bullies when drugs were not a problem for them. It reminds me of that commercial where the dad is responding to his kids who are asking for the car keys. The little girls appears to be about 7 years old. Suddenly they show her and she is 18 years old. She just still seems like 7 years-old to her dad. (Have you seen it?) Those patients are like 7 year olds. They act like children. Can't they see that in themselves? Apparently, they are imitating behavior they saw as young children and they never learned it was unacceptable behavior.

    I thought that Jason (Gummy Bear) wasn't there for the money because he is so rich, but I think that his family may have cut him off and appointed a guardian of his estate. So he may not have access to his money unless he cleans up. That'a all I figure that would keep him there.

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    UGHHHHHHHHHH! Janice and Scummy Bear are driving me BATTY!!!! How can anyone get anything constructive done in that environment????
    P.S. I just wrote out a lengthy post about my thoughts on last nights episode but it wouldn't post. I'll try again later.
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    Eric Roberts is my hero. Calling Janice the c-word to her face. Couldnt think of a better word to call that woman. She is truly an awful human being. As soon as everyone turned on her reasons for being mad at Rachel, she plays the "she abandon me!" card.

    The problem with this show is they put 8 people who want to be celebrities again into a detox center and exploit their problems. Dr Drew and VH1 arnt totally at fault here because these 'celebrities' make the choice on their own but to think this is actually a "Rehab" is ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by causingchaos;4127806;
    It's not unusual to have people at different stages of recovery in treatment. It's actually kind of useful in group work.

    What bothers me is that this is a 28 day treatment program. There are people who need a higher level of care than that that end up on this show. More over they're detoxing as part of the 28 days. Which basically leaves people in the end with a week or so of actual, beneficial treatment.

    I think what you said is pretty much what I meant. You just said it more clearly than I did. Some of these people obviously need more than twenty-eight days, because of behavioral issues, detoxing issues etc., to make anything like a successful attempt at sobriety. Others could make some decent strides toward recovery in twenty-eight days. I just feel bad for those who made the effort to enter rehab sober and ready to work that they're dealing with people who seem incapable of behaving in anything close to an adult way. If Jason, Janice, and Frankie were removed from the equation and replaced with less volatile people, I suspect the others would be able to concentrate more on working toward their sobriety, rather than the chaos constantly erupting around them. I think those three need a more structured environment away from the cameras. I don't know if it's their addictions or just their personalities, but I just can't see anyone wanting to put up with them in a group situation where they are literally fighting for their future lives. Leif obviously has some serious problems too, but he doesn't pick at other people or try to monopolize all the attention the way those other three do. Sadly, it's kind of like they have two groups instead of one: Rachel, Eric, Leif, and the reality show guy (I'm sorry, but I'm terrible with names, and he gets hardly any screen time) are in one and Jason, Janice, and Frankie are in another.

    I've seen a number of seasons of this show, maybe even all of them. I'm not sure how many there have been. But I don't think I've ever seen this much anger constantly erupting from so many sources. One Kari Ann is enough. They don't need three.

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    The thing about this show is that we don't have these people entering detox before they go into the treatment program. From what I understand about people going into rehab is that they at first do some sort of detox. They get through that sickly, confrontational, withdrawal stage in a different, more structured setting and then they enter rehab. Depending on the level of their addiction detox can be a couple of days or a couple of weeks. If you're throwing these people straight in without the detox period you're going to get the drama that VH1 wants. You're going to see them sick, annoying, angry,irritable,etc, etc, etc.

    Then you have Dummy Bear, Janice, and probably Frankie as well, who may have never known true stability. They may have never grown emotionally or socially. Anger is a common defense against the world. Being loud and obnoxious is also a defense. It's a way to push others away before they have the chance to push you away. These people are truly sick, and this show just doesn't offer the true rehab that they need. it scratches the surface, but for it to truly work for some of the people we've seen on this show they will need to continue their work in a proper setting.
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    Typically people enter rehab detoxed already or if detox is part of the rehab center it isn't typically considered a part of treatment especially with the elongated detoxes that some of these people are dealing with. So you detox at the center and maybe do some sober activities but your 28, or whatever, days won't start until you have made it through detox.

    In reality people like Leif with the set up Drew has going on literally get about 1 week of treatment because the other 3 are spent in the psychological and physical mess of detoxing and you can't do treatment with people like that.

    That's always been a pet peeve of my show other than the patients who should have been referred to a higher level of care from the get go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by causingchaos;4128280;
    That's always been a pet peeve of my show other than the patients who should have been referred to a higher level of care from the get go.
    Exactly. Like Leif and Fatso should not be there if their drug use was as great as they said it was. If youre using Heroin every day, youre not just going to be well in a few hours.

    I just feel like this show does nothing for the people involved. Its great TV and all but how many of the people actually stay clean? I read that Mary Carey relapsed and went on to make a porn mocking the whole thing.

    How about the Hills tool "Ive been in eight rehabs and ive never seen one like this". Maybe you should work to clean your act up and not be in rehab eight times.

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    Exactly. Like Leif and Fatso should not be there if their drug use was as great as they said it was. If youre using Heroin every day, youre not just going to be well in a few hours.

    I just feel like this show does nothing for the people involved. Its great TV and all but how many of the people actually stay clean? I read that Mary Carey relapsed and went on to make a porn mocking the whole thing.

    How about the Hills tool "Ive been in eight rehabs and ive never seen one like this". Maybe you should work to clean your act up and not be in rehab eight times.
    I just read an article about the Hills guy in some magazine like Us or People (I was in the gym and I can't read anything of any depth without slowing down on the elliptical). If the article was accurate, he has stayed clean and sober since the show and has been volunteering with an organization that helps teens with alcohol and drug addictions. He seemed pretty sincere. Apparently, his parents really broke down over his last arrest, because they were afraid he was going to end up dead, and he said that really scared him into taking the situation more seriously than he had before. He also mentioned that the unreality of reality television puts young people in situations where they're suddenly being paid to drink and party so that if it's very easy to start thinking it's perfectly acceptable to be drunk or high most of the time. If I remember correctly, he wasn't so much blaming reality television as saying that if you're young and think you're indestructible, being involved in reality television just increases the possibility that you'll end up behaving really badly, especially if you have an addictive personality in the first place. It doesn't cause problems but it sure doesn't help steer someone clear of them either.

    If I remember correctly, he also said in the article that he deliberately went through the detox process at another center prior to showing up at the Pasadena Recovery Center, so that part of rehab would be done already, and he could concentrate on getting his act together during his time there. I thought that showed a considerable commitment, considering other people were doing drugs in the car on the way to the PRC.

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