BTW my brother and sis-in-law and her family have been very successful in losing weight by first trying Greysheets, FA (Food Anonymous) and FAA (Food Addicts Annoynous). These programs all started in the New England area and programs based on the 12 step Alchoholics Anonymous programs. There are meetings, live and by telephone and sponsors available. Again these programs eliminate sugar and white flour from the diet and emphasize protion control. Detox is the hardest part of the program but I have heard especially from my brother how great he feels and how focused he now can be and how much energy he now has. Still that last 20 lbs was the hardest for him cause he quit and started the program 3 times due to stress from his job he yo yo ed the last 2.5 yrs over that weight. I saw him about 2 wks ago and he looked great even sexy and this is a sibling saying that about her brother. He has lost 55 lbs, most gained after he got married.