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    For example, the ladies bathing next week has little to nothing to do with the story (unless a croc nabs one of them). But, I don't doubt they feel it will boost ratings.
    Indeed. Some of those preview clips were almost on the level of softporn.

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    Originally posted by Tuluminous
    No way, Bill! Considered best by whom? Certainly not by me, the most important reality tv viewer around. I want to be awed and inspired and elevated and edified irrespective of the per unit volumes of powered soap and corn flakes sales... By extension of your thinking, Joe Millionaire would trump Survivor and The Amazing Race, wouldn't it? Renounce your heresy or be included on the apostate list with Sadaam Hussein.
    Apostate? I didn't hold any belief you are implying in the first place, let alone abandoned it.

    Joe Millionaire did trump TAR significantly in the ratings area, which is the only area that truely matters to the folks who produce these shows. Doesn't mean I personally enjoyed it more than a good TAR, but clearly a huge majority of viewers did for some odd reason.

    Oh, and please don't compare me with Hussein, even in an attempt at humor.

    It IS a small piece of the 39 day history, but to say it has little to nothing to do with the story makes no sense to me, especially since we don't know how the future/story will unfold, or at least I don't. What if the sight of Jenna's cupped breast captivates one or more of the players and wins her friends beyond what her icy personality would have, clothed? Then the little scenic timeframe would play a crucial part of the game.
    I feel that attempting to justify a gratuitous bath scene as a critical part of the plot is, in my opinion, reaching rather far.
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    Oh, and please don't compare me with Hussein, even in an attempt at humor.
    I wasn't really comparing you to Saddam Hussein, Bill. I was attempting to humorously portray myself as an intolerant kook thrown over the edge by any suggestion that MY lower-rated fave shows, for which I have an almost religious zeal, do not rule! I guess I am being too abstract and too individualistic to effectively communicate my ideas... No, I don'tthink you are anything like the bloody dictator. My sincere apologies.

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    Bill -

    I agree that the remnants on the cutting room floor are the victims of the commercial end of television as opposed to the artistic.

    The position I made still stands: that while what we are shown is important (either for ratings or story purposes), the footage that they omit is what completes the story, and gives us the whole picture.

    Tuluminous -

    I too believe that it may be a stretch to claim the bathing scene definately contributes to the story. However, I will conceed that it is possible something may come to light during that scene that will enhance the story. (Specifcally, I believe that there may be some dialog or comment made by one of the three that solidifies an alliance, or at least defines a priority enemy to the group.)

    John/Bravo -

    Move this where you see fit. Personally, I believe the discussion is sufficiently Survivor-based to remain here, but it isn't my site.

    All -

    I want to clarify what I was trying to say (as well as where I feel we have disgressed to). My whole point was that if the editing of Survivor stopped being as "shock" focussed as it seems recently, and became more story-developing oriented, that in the end there would be more satisfied viewers.

    Since then, our discussion has taken us into a debate about the significance of the impact editing has on reality television. I still believe that the impact is quite signficant, since it is by key omission that stories are created from otherwise innocuous events.
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    My question is , and has been through many of these reality shows, why do the editors choose footage of winners that would make the public dislike them?

    I won't name specifics, we've all had winners that, from what we were shown, we didn't like. It just seems odd to me. I would much rather have a likeble person/team win.

    The only show that is excused from that is Big Brother as they don't know the winner before hand.
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    Cali -

    I agree, and it was that exact thought that provoked this thread being started. I found that for one reason or another I disliked every Survivor winner after Richard (as much as he was a jerk, I still could respect him).

    I think the main reason is that MB feels the need to have the formulaic good vs. evil battle play out, even if he has to manufacture a villain (such as Lex in Africa, who during the show was presented as a terrible, gut-listening lunatic and all post-show interviews had the other contestants saying they liked him!)
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    Ummm, I liked lex
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    I liked Lex during the show too. Was he supposed to be the villain?
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    Originally posted by BravoFan
    I liked Lex during the show too. Was he supposed to be the villain?
    In the story, he was the "mad king" archetype -- the ruler who lost his mind trying to rule. He got rid of Kelly when it was advantageous to keep her, and then he sided with Brandon when it made sense to remove him.

    Many of his confessionals gave the impression that he was "a little off" (cutting off heads, slitting throats, et cetera). However, when asked about Lex, many of the others said he was a nice guy, and that seeing that side of him on the broadcast was very surprising.

    So, they showed a lot of his "crazy" stuff, and little of his "normal" stuff, making him look more nutty than he really was.

    That's what I meant.
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