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    I was surprised I liked this show as much as I did. It was quite emotional when they saw themselves for the first time, but Rachel, dump your jerk husband. As far as the rightness or the wrongness of plastic surgery, well if your looks bother you and you have the money why not, it's not like these woman are models, or even average for that matter, and the results tonight were stunning, especially Rachel, wow! I felt really happy for them, and yes, I guess if we lived in a perfect world, looks wouldn't matter, but unfortunately, especially for women, too many people do judge you on what you look like. Like Dorothy Parker said, men seldom make passes at girls who wear glasses. I'm saving for a brow lift and penis reduction surgery when I turn 30.

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    I just saw this show for the first time and felt really angry. I work in the mental health field and didn't even think a reputable plastic surgeon would operate on someone who wanted the surgery because the surgery would "completely change there lives"or “make them a different person”. I was under the understanding that those types of people would be referred to therapy first....not therapy after the surgery. I have child clients who hate their bodies, perhaps we need to have a show were we can do plastic surgery on teens so they can get a better boyfriend. I think it's ridicules to risk your life to be beautiful like this, every surgery has the possibility of death...it would look wonderful to have a tombstone that said "Died in the name of Beauty...But I look dang good in this coffin!". GRRR...it's shows like this that make the children and adults of today think that you have to be perfect or at least pay for perfection in order to be happy. :phhht

    As a side note some of the children I work with that saw this show now think that their bodies (which may be overweight, handicapped, or covered in typical teen acne) are now falling into the category of "ugly ducklings". That's just sad.

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    Be an at home swan
    follow these 5 rules and wave bye-bye to the old you:

    1. get a haircut and style it cool ( use styling products )
    2. buy some cute outfits
    3. eat healthy
    4. exercise
    5. smile
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    Unfortunately, women are viewed by their looks - by men, by employers, by other women. It is a very sad commentary on our value system, but it is a fact nonetheless. We are constantly bombarded by the media of images of beautiful women - models, actresses, etc. who are held up as the feminine ideal. Women try to emulate these "role models" and most of us fall far short. To make up for this lack, we buy products to make us more appealing - makeup, clothes, exercise equipment. We try diets and self-improvement books. When all else fails, we visit plastic surgeons to make us prettier and more desirable.

    We can come up with all kinds of platitudes that champion the "average joes and janes" of the world, but in the end the truth emerges. The pretty people win.

    Because of this, those of us who are average are left with low self esteem and a poor self-image. We can help ourselves by following Zaaam's advice and following the 5 rules to be an at home swan, but most don't. Those who want and need the extra help should be encouraged to do so.

    I see nothing wrong with this show. I hope these women are truly helped by the experience and it heals some of their wounds. It won't solve all their problems, but it may help with their self-confidence. That, in itself, would be worth the experience.

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    I hate how in the previews they call the contestants ugly ducklings. How shallow! Then when the ladies actually see their "transformations" their crying hysterically saying "I'm finally beautiful"

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    aname..I wholeheartily disagree with your whole post.

    Nothing personal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaaam
    Be an at home swan
    follow these 5 rules and wave bye-bye to the old you:

    1. get a haircut and style it cool ( use styling products )
    2. buy some cute outfits
    3. eat healthy
    4. exercise
    5. smile

    seriously!! in the wake of all these extreme makeover shows, here's some advice for anyone thinking about liposuction... EXERCISE!! the plastic surgeon/personal trainer will make you do it anyways, might as well start now. i'm just gettin tired of all these unhappy people complaining about their weight when they're not doing anything about it.

    anyways, i think rachel looked great in her makeover. i can't wait for this pageant.

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    Unfortunately, women are viewed by their looks - by men, by employers, by other women. It is a very sad commentary on our value system, but it is a fact nonetheless. We are constantly bombarded by the media of images of beautiful women - models, actresses, etc. who are held up as the feminine ideal. Women try to emulate these "role models" and most of us fall far short. To make up for this lack, we buy products to make us more appealing - makeup, clothes, exercise equipment. We try diets and self-improvement books. When all else fails, we visit plastic surgeons to make us prettier and more desirable.
    the only people who view women solely by their looks in this world are shallow, unintelligent, sexist individuals. and whoever said what the media thinks is beautiful is indeed, beautiful? the ideal of beauty changes from time period to time period, and i'll be one of the first people to think that what society and media proposes as today's ideal is complete b.s. and "pretty people" don't necessarily always win. a variety of factors come into play. in many cases, "pretty people" may indeed, win, but because of the confidence that comes form being told they are "the bomb". any "average" person accordign to society cna certainly achieve what they want to achieve if they believe in themselves, and not in the false notion that "beauty" is everything.

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    Thanks for the willingness to type out what I'm too lazy to do.
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    life that which is unnoticed has the most power.

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    While EXM helps men and women of all ages with various problems, the Swan seems to focus soley on young women who are trying to shoe-horn themselves into a very narrow, idealized vision of beauty. And as we know, this is simply unattainable for the vast majority of women.

    This show is really hurtful to the self-esteem of women (it really bugged my wife, I can tell you that). Since women are really the target audience for these makeover shows, I can't see how it can be a success in the ratings since it's really hurtful and offensive to watch.

    Also, they both ended up looking like hookers or porn stars! The producers were very focused on a lot of negativity, especially in their relationships. That had to be humiliating and personally damaging to the women as they watched the show on TV. I'm just not a fan of unnecessary cruelty.

    I also thought the doctors were heartless and cruel, especially to the emotional woman when she was freaking out in recovery. That doctor had absolutely no compassion for her. In contrast, the doctors on EXM genuinely care about their patients and do not treat them with disrespect. I'm not even sure if those guys were real plastic surgeons, their work was really bad!

    Anyhow, EXM is not innocent when it comes to exploiting people for the sake of ratings, but The Swan is truly a new low. It's going to take a death of a plastic surgery patient to put an end to these programs.

    Until then, enjoy the freak show because that's truly what it is. The fat lady and flipper boy have been replaced with brow lifts and nose jobs.

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