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    Luck on HBO

    HBO's description: "From acclaimed director Michael Mann and 'Deadwood' creator David Milch, 'Luck' takes a provocative look at the world of horse racing - the owners, gamblers, jockeys and diverse gaming industry players.* The cast stars Dustin Hoffman, Dennis Farina, John Ortiz, Richard Kind, Ian Hart, Kevin Dunn, Ritchie Coster, Jason Gedrick, Jill Hennessy, Tom Payne, Kerry Condon, Gary Stevens and Nick Nolte. The pilot is directed by Michael Mann and written by David Milch."

    I know the pilot aired a month or so ago after Boardwalk Empire's finale, but I waited until tonight to get into it. I have a fair-to-midland understanding of the horse-racing industry, and I was still kind of lost as to what's going on, but glad to be so. Like Boardwalk, I'm hoping that the show treats the viewers as adults who can figure it all out with time. I'm just disappointed that there is no way in hell this will ever pass the Bechdel test, unlike Boardwalk. Anyone else watch?
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    Re: Luck on HBO

    Quote Originally Posted by PhoneGrrrl View Post
    HBO's description: "From acclaimed director Michael Mann and 'Deadwood' creator David Milch, 'Luck' takes a provocative look at the world of horse racing - the owners, gamblers, jockeys and diverse gaming industry players.* The cast stars Dustin Hoffman, Dennis Farina, John Ortiz, Richard Kind, Ian Hart, Kevin Dunn, Ritchie Coster, Jason Gedrick, Jill Hennessy, Tom Payne, Kerry Condon, Gary Stevens and Nick Nolte. The pilot is directed by Michael Mann and written by David Milch."

    I know the pilot aired a month or so ago after Boardwalk Empire's finale, but I waited until tonight to get into it. I have a fair-to-midland understanding of the horse-racing industry, and I was still kind of lost as to what's going on, but glad to be so. Like Boardwalk, I'm hoping that the show treats the viewers as adults who can figure it all out with time. I'm just disappointed that there is no way in hell this will ever pass the Bechdel test, unlike Boardwalk. Anyone else watch?
    DH & I did and while he really enjoyed it, like you I know very little about horse racing. And DH is a engineer works with numbers all.day.long and I kept asking him, "are you following all this" and his reply, "yup" I did enjoy it AND we will continue to watch ESP after last night's ending but I need to up my knowledge of horse racing. AND no one better hurt any horses or I am out of the room. Sad about that one horse.
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    Re: Luck on HBO

    Despite the mumbling, muttering characters, the struggling to understand what they were doing, the sadness of the addicts and the losers, and the horse going down I really liked the pilot.

    Nick Nolte's character seems to be both senile and, possibly, brilliant. Hoffman and Farina together make a great team. Some of the jargon was over my head, but HBO has a kind of primer glossary that helped a little:

    HBO (racetrack glossary)

    So, against my inclination, I think I'm hooked. I just hope this quirky show doesn't go the way of "John from Cincinatti."

    Critics are calling it everything from "drowning in pretension" to "tediously fascinating." But most seem to agree that it doesn't come together until the final episode and that it's worthwhile hanging in till then.

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    It has a host of wonderful actors.. I hope it delivers. I love horses and racing... it just killed me to see the horse go down but had to give the jockey credit for his emotion. It was hard to watch.
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    This series is getting a lot of flack from PETA on their site because apparently two horses supposedly died during the filming of it.

    Irony is - it shows the negative light of horseback racing and how horses are treated as well as the emotion jockeys feel when they lose the horse. It irritates me when they claim that the jockeys only see the horses as money. I disagree - while that is obviously a point as to why Jockeys ride to begin with, they care about those horses for their safety as well as respecting the animal because a. they're beautiful and b. they know they're bigger than us and could if abused go out and strike and kill us.
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    Re: Luck on HBO

    I found the first episode painfully, woefully boring. I really want this show to work, but I'm not holding my breath. It's like trying to force yourself to read a book that you just can't get into....some people will plod through, others (like me) will give it a little bit more of a shot and then, probably, throw it aside.

    I've had not respect for David Milch ever since he just walked away from Deadwood. He can go pound sand.
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    Re: Luck on HBO

    Quote Originally Posted by prhoshay View Post
    I found the first episode painfully, woefully boring. I really want this show to work, but I'm not holding my breath. It's like trying to force yourself to read a book that you just can't get into....some people will plod through, others (like me) will give it a little bit more of a shot and then, probably, throw it aside.
    That is exactly how I felt about the episode. I found myself watching the time counting down till it was over. I wanted it to be over just so I could say I gave it a shot.

    I'm not sure if I'll watch the second episode or not.

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    It was a bit better for me this episode. Ditching Mann and Milch was probably a good idea...we got a but more backstory, character motivation, which was nice. From purely personal job interests, I'm curious how the slots at the track work out, but I've been given no reason to care about any character, aside from nee' Octavia.

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    From its opening scene with Ace and his parole officer, I found this episode to be so filled with information about the characters that I had to watch it 3 times. The story is beginning to "gel" for me now.

    The pace also quickens in episode 2. Several plots begin to pick up steam and intersect. Leave Nothing to Chance is the tagline, and we see Ace establishing a kind of bond with his PO, one that he will have to rely on now that he's knee deep in dirty business.

    Ace is reconnecting with the mob. The other members of the Pick 6 club are free falling back to earth. Jerry is losing his bankroll at the casino, Lonnie in his brand new suit is jumped by 2 hooker types when he backs out of his insurance fraud scam with them. Another is trying unsuccessfully to be a legitimate racehorse owner. And the leader, embittered wheelchair-bound Marcus, can find no joy because he cannot announce his victory. He sees it as a betrayal of the code of invisibility he lives by.

    A lot of the scenes revolve around a kind protocol, or set of manners that are alien to me. With Jerry, unspoken questions cloud the air at the high stakes table. Where did he get the cash to even take his seat there? Why is he gambling at all? I learned a little about poker, too: the only thing that matters is who is ahead at the end. Everything else up to that point is meaningless fluff. Especially the drama of baiting each other and the fate of any given hand.

    Walter (my personal favorite) is trying to avenge the heartless, insurance-driven death of a horse he trained. He's turning the horse's sire into a champion. But Toro, whom we are learning to hate, is crafting a row of nested decoys to establish defective odds and mislead gamblers - all to his own enrichment, of course.

    I am amazed at how much is revealed non-verbally. How much is said with a gesture or an expression. What I am starting to understand is that this story is about con men - whether they are winners or losers, they share the same space at Santa Anita. The borders between they are hazy, and the space between them is where Luck does business.
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    Re: Luck on HBO

    I'm going to give it one more shot. Not holding my breath.
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