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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaJo View Post
    I don't think it's farfetched. I think the 'wife' is the one he was supposed to marry before he met Snow White. We know from the beginning of each show that one person remembers....either the EQ or Mr. Gold...so I'm guessing one of them found the jilted fiance and is paying her to play house with the Prince.
    I read an interview in Entertainment Weekly with the writers and they said that the EQ does know. They did not say whether anyone else knows - but she does. They also said they were starting to work on stuff for season 2. I can't remember if anyone here said it before or not, but Ariel is definitely one they want to try and bring into it in season 2.

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    I'm confused about something. Prince Charming did not get married even though he was engaged when he met Snow White in the fairy tale story. We never saw the conclusion of that part of their story, we just know that they eventually got married. But apparently in Storybrooke he is married. So what I'm wondering is if maybe the Mayor found someone to pretend to be David's wife? An ex-girlfriend or jilted fiance maybe? I know it's farfetched, but it bothers me that it was never explained how Prince Charming got out of his wedding and with Snow White, nor how the Mayor found the wife.
    Next week is about PC/David, so I'm sure we'll find out how he gets out of that engagement. And it was the Mayor who brought Kathryn to "David." When Henry met up with Emma and MM in the woods while they were searching for John Doe, he told Emma how his mom had dropped him off at their house and immediately taken off somewhere. I figured that implied she went to go "find" Kathryn and concoct a story, quite possibly using her magic (another theory of mine).

    I also heard Aladdin and the Genie are making an appearance. Very excited about that - how cheesy yet cool would it be if Robin Williams played the Genie in Storybrooke??
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    Found some interesting tidbits about the copyright status of Peter Pan in Wikipedia, yes, I know not the most reliable of sources, but it is quick and easy.

    Peter and Wendy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Copyright statusThe copyright status of the story of Peter Pan and its characters has been the subject of dispute, particularly as the original version began to enter the public domain in various jurisdictions. In 1929, Barrie gave the copyright to the works featuring Peter Pan to Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH), Britain's leading children's hospital, and requested that the value of the gift should never be disclosed; this gift was confirmed in his will. GOSH has exercised these rights internationally to support the work of the institution.

    [edit] United KingdomThe UK copyright originally expired at the end of 1987 (50 years after Barrie's death), but was revived in 1995 through 31 December 2007 by a directive to harmonise copyright laws within the EU. Meanwhile in 1988, former Prime Minister James Callaghan sponsored a Parliamentary Bill granting a perpetual extension of some of the rights to the work, entitling the hospital to royalties for any performance, publication, or adaptation of the play. This is not a true perpetual copyright however, as it does not grant the hospital creative control over the use of the material, nor the right to refuse permission to use it. The law also does not cover the Peter Pan section of The Little White Bird, which pre-dates the play and was not therefore an "adaptation" of it. The exact phrasing is in section 301 of, and Schedule 6 to, the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988:

    301. The provisions of Schedule 6 have effect for conferring on trustees for the benefit of the Hospital for Sick Children, Great Ormond Street, London, a right to a royalty in respect of the public performance, commercial publication, broadcasting or inclusion in a cable programme service of the play 'Peter Pan' by Sir James Matthew Barrie, or of any adaptation of that work, notwithstanding that copyright in the work expired on 31 December 1987.[15]

    [edit] United StatesFor some time, Great Ormond Street Hospital claimed that U.S. legislation effective in 1978 and again in 1998, which extended the copyright on the version of the play script published in 1928, gave them copyright over "Peter Pan" in general, until 2023.[16] The hospital's web site later acknowledged that the copyright for the novel version of the story, published in 1911, had expired in the United States, and asserted only that their copyright applied to the published version of the script and performances of it.[17]

    Previously, GOSH's claim of U.S. copyright had been contested by various parties. J. E. Somma sued GOSH to permit the U.S. publication of her sequel After the Rain, A New Adventure for Peter Pan. GOSH and Somma settled out of court in March 2005, issuing a joint statement which characterised her novel – which she had argued was a commentary on the original work rather than a mere derivative of it – as "fair use" of the hospital's "U.S. intellectual property rights". Their confidential settlement did not set any legal precedent, however.[18] Disney was a long-time licensee to the animation rights, and cooperated with the hospital when its copyright claim was clear, but in 2004 Disney published Dave Barry's and Ridley Pearson's Peter and the Starcatchers in the U.S., the first of several sequels, without permission and without making royalty payments.
    Oh, how shocking Disney doing something under handed.

    In 2006, Top Shelf Productions published Lost Girls, a pornographic graphic novel featuring Wendy Darling, in the U.S. also without permission or royalties.

    [edit] Other jurisdictionsThe original versions of the play and novel are in the public domain in countries where the term of copyright is 70 years (or less) after the death of the creators. This includes the European Union (except Spain), Australia, Canada (where Somma's book was first published without incident), and most other countries (see list of countries' copyright length). This is also true in Afghanistan and Ethiopia, which do not have copyright laws of their own and are not signatories to any of the international copyright treaties.

    However, the work is still under copyright in several countries: until 2013 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, where copyright lasts 75 years after the author's death; in Colombia and Spain until 2018, where the applicable term is 80 years after death; and in Mexico until 2038, where the term is 100 years after death. (It would also be under copyright in Côte d'Ivoire, Guatemala, and Honduras, but these countries recognise the "rule of the shorter term", which means that the term of the country of origin applies if it's shorter than their local term.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaJo View Post
    You can tell she doesn't NOT believe, if that makes sense. She looks at Mary Margaret funny sometimes, like she's wondering if it could be possible. And she touched her badge when Henry said something had to have happened for the mine explosion. So she's not completely a non-believer. That's why I think she does believe, deep down, but it's all to fantastic for her to believe outright.
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    Kind of like Scully and Mulder, I think.

    I want to believe...

    Trust no one...

    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer...

    The X-Files, one of the coolest shows ever.

    And yes, Emma is kind of like Scully.
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    Emma is growing on me with each episode and I, now, think that this actress was cast right for the part. Didn't think so at first. Emma needed to be a strong, no-nonsense charactor rather than a sweet child of the Prince and Snow White. I'm really liking this show and can't wait to see each episode!
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    I am trying so hard to hang onto this show. I love fairy tales, but the last episode I played on the computer, missed a whole bunch and did not care. I once again feel like Lost where they are just throwing stuff on the screen with no ending in sight.

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    I got lost with Lost too and didn't appreciate how it unfolded, but I think this show is still okay and hope it continues.
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    I still love Lost; we are in the process of watching our DVDs again and each time we find more things to talk about. Never has a show prompted me to research so many scientific, literary, sociological, historical, and mathematical subjects. I've always had a pretty eclectic knowledge base, but I learned so much during Lost's run.

    There's not as much to ponder in this show, but I find it highly entertaining and something different from run of the mill programs.
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    Just read an interesting article on tvguide.com about OUAT.

    Once Upon a Time Bosses on How Lost Influenced Their Fairytale World - Today's News: Our Take | TVGuide.com


    Once Upon a Time Bosses on How Lost Influenced Their Fairytale World

    From Lost to Once Upon a Time, executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis sure know how to create an entangled mystery that will keep audiences scratching their heads.

    The duo began the groundwork for Once eight years ago, but it took working on Lost to really hone their idea. "We were really young and we didn't understand how to execute the idea we had. We called it our eight-year writer's block," Kitsis says with a laugh.

    The result? A series in which familiar fairytale characters have been ripped from their world by a curse that the Evil Queen (Lana Parrilla) unleashed in hopes of destroying everyone's happy endings and obtaining one of her own. They're relocated to Storybrooke, a town in which time stands still, with no memories of their previous fairytale identities. Enter Emma (Jennifer Morrison), a real-life bounty hunter who somehow must break the curse.

    Though the series is ripe with mythos springing from the original fairytales and what the Once writers have also created, the producers believe the real strength and appeal of the series lies elsewhere. "We never thought about Lost or Once really as mythology shows, even though mythology obviously is a part of [both]," Horowitz says. "They are character shows to us. That was the greatest lesson on Lost: Really learning how to approach the story through character." Kitsis notes that Lost bosses Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse strived to put character first on the island mystery series. "On Lost, we started to realize how you can tell these character stories with the background and the mythology and hopefully try and weave it together."

    Horowitz and Kitsis have also pieced together their own "bible" to keep track of the Once timelines and character histories, not unlike the one used by the Lost writers. "It's just to keep ourselves straight as to what we're doing," Horowitz says. "But we're allowing ourselves freedom. It's not like we said, 'Here's what all three seasons would be, or five seasons.' We've got some goal posts, but we're allowing ourselves to create a freedom to change our minds."

    Freedom means that the producers are mainly focused on the current season, rather than looking too far ahead to what their endgame may be — though they recognize that Lost fans relied on knowing there was an end in sight, however far off that may be. "We want to make sure that five years from now, whatever thoughts we have, they're still relevant," Kitsis says. "There's a curse that needs to be broken, and these characters have had their happy endings ripped from them. Emma [Jennifer Morrison] comes in there trying to help them find their happy endings. Ultimately, the last happy ending is for Emma."

    Before that can happen, Emma, who also just happens to be the daughter of Prince Charming (Josh Dallas) and Snow White (Ginnifer Goodwin), must truly become the hero of the story — a quest the writers find exciting because she was never part of the fairytale canon. "Emma is essentially a new fairytale character," Kitsis notes. "Emma's journey is just beginning and it hasn't been written yet."

    "We've heard people discussing: Will [Emma] break the curse? How will she break the curse? When will she break the curse?" Horowitz says. "The curse, in many ways, is the tip of the iceberg. Even if you do know who you are, that doesn't mean everything immediately comes back to you and you get your happy ending." Adds Kitsis, "In fact, in a lot of ways, it might just make it worse."

    Unfortunately, this means Prince Charming and Snow White have a long way to go before their tale becomes the love story we know it to be. "Anytime you have a love story on a TV show, it's always hard to keep them apart," Kitsis notes. "In fairytale land, we understand that these two belong together. Now, in Storybrooke, these two are separated by [David's] wife, so they can't be together. You get to really see that the curse makes good on its promise, which is that it will rip everything you love from your life."

    Getting her parents the happy ending they deserve will be the greatest challenge for Emma. Though she's gone toe-to-toe with Storybrooke's mayor Regina, who adopted Henry (Jared Gilmore), the son Emma gave up for adoption 10 years ago, she'll have to face the ultimate antagonist of the story: Regina's fairytale counterpart, The Evil Queen. "The Evil Queen is not somebody whose bad side you want to get on, but if anyone can take her on, it's Emma," Kitsis says.
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