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    Starbucks880, I don't know the answer. I have felt from the beginning of this show that having the lead CIA agent function with a serious mental illness was not a good idea. I think they wanted it to add drama and to explain why Carrie is so uncontrolable at times, but the premise creates more problems than it solves. She's basically a loose canon, but I think we are supposed to root for her.

    Recall how she ran half cocked into that restaurant to confront Saul? She does that kind of thing even when she is ON her meds, so what can I say.

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    Loved watching Quinn in action!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debb70 View Post
    Starbucks880, I don't know the answer. I have felt from the beginning of this show that having the lead CIA agent function with a serious mental illness was not a good idea. I think they wanted it to add drama and to explain why Carrie is so uncontrolable at times, but the premise creates more problems than it solves. She's basically a loose canon, but I think we are supposed to root for her.

    Recall how she ran half cocked into that restaurant to confront Saul? She does that kind of thing even when she is ON her meds, so what can I say.
    But, did you see your car???

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    But, did you see your car???
    No, sadly, I didn't make it in the footage. lol

    I think it was the US Capital building they added at the end of the street, of course that's not in Raleigh. lol It's amazing what they can do.

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    Saul sure threw Carrie under the bus, which was surprising to me given his propensity for defending her no matter how reckless and stupid she acts. I also cringed when Carrie testified. She needs to know her audience--that was not the time to say that Brody was innocent. I wonder who the leak was and I wonder if Saul has a bigger plan or if he is really going to make Carrie the fall guy. Carrie being off her meds will not go well. She is already looking crazy enough. I really hope Dana's sexting pictures to psych ward boyfriend will not come back to bite her. Hopefully he isn't the type to sell it to the papers. Also, where on earth is Mike?
    I don't think TPTB would have started down this path if the sexting wasn't going to come back to bite her! I was really surprised to see that the psych ward boyfriend is the same actor that was *just* playing Zach Hamilton on Dexter! I kinda liked him ("Are we there yet?" ), so I'm curious to see more from him on this show. (I am assuming we will see more of him, otherwise there wasn't much point in his appearance.)

    I don't think people with mental illness going off meds is all that uncommon. Some people don't think they need it anymore. Once they have been on the meds, they may feel better and think they are cured. Also, Carrie said at one point during the show that she thought the meds were affecting her thought process. Some of the meds given for mental illness are pretty serious, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if some meds really had that kind of effect on some people.

    Carrie blaming herself for the bombing struck me as completely within her character, whether on or off meds. She is hard on herself and thinks she should be the perfect spy. She thought once they caught Abu Nazir that it was over. It doesn't surprise me that she is angry with herself for not suspecting he could have put another plan in motion.
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    I don't think TPTB would have started down this path if the sexting wasn't going to come back to bite her! I was really surprised to see that the psych ward boyfriend is the same actor that was *just* playing Zach Hamilton on Dexter! I kinda liked him ("Are we there yet?" ), so I'm curious to see more from him on this show. (I am assuming we will see more of him, otherwise there wasn't much point in his appearance.)

    I don't think people with mental illness going off meds is all that uncommon. Some people don't think they need it anymore. Once they have been on the meds, they may feel better and think they are cured. Also, Carrie said at one point during the show that she thought the meds were affecting her thought process. Some of the meds given for mental illness are pretty serious, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if some meds really had that kind of effect on some people.

    Carrie blaming herself for the bombing struck me as completely within her character, whether on or off meds. She is hard on herself and thinks she should be the perfect spy. She thought once they caught Abu Nazir that it was over. It doesn't surprise me that she is angry with herself for not suspecting he could have put another plan in motion.
    You are correct about all of that ... and also the self blame.

    Some of those meds are very, very potent and have many, many side effects. Also they are designed to alter how your mind works ... and abruptly discontinuing them also has huge negative repercussions.
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    How old is Dana now? I have read that sending sexually explicit photos, even of yourself, by phone is illegal and is very serious. And that even kids who sent their own naked photo have been charged with child pornography. I really wish they would leave Brodie's family out of it. None of them interest me in the least bit.

    Oh, did anyone hear what happened to Brodie's friend? I think he name was Mike. Was he killed in the explosion?
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    For one thing, I am glad that a second episode in a row, Dana has not worn those hideous boots from last season. I also did not want to see laundry room sex. I don't think the actress is a minor, but still she looks about 14. Maybe I am a hypocrite because I got pregnant with my first baby when I was 15, but still.... Also, aside from the ick factor, it wasn't all that interesting. I also have a major gripe about this scene as well. No psychiatric hospital has that bad of security and they certainly would not let their patients roam free so easily or be around so many things the suicidal ones could kill themselves with. If they were able to go and have laundry sex so easily, then someone wanting to hang themselves with a bed sheet could easily do the same thing. They would have to report a suicide in their care, not to mention the potential for lawsuits, criminal charges, etc. Anyway, enough with the teenage melodrama. I also think Dana is a brat who should be smacked and I don't want so much of the show devoted to her. I am hoping this will all turn out to be worth it since I love this show.

    Several times I yelled at my tv screen at Carrie. The girl does not know how to filter herself or to not come off as nuts. The administrative hearing, for example--they were going to recommend she goes home and then she makes it obvious she shouldn't be let out. I realize a small part is her mental illness, but it is like she is trying to get them to lock her up and throw away the key. Claire Danes really can do crazy eyes very well.

    Last week I thought perhaps Saul was letting the job turn him into a self serving jerk, but now I am wondering if in some odd way he is trying to protect Carrie. Maybe this way Dar Adal won't take the bus Saul threw her under and drive around on her a few times. But then he bullied the analyst in a head scarf and made her cry, so who knows.... I am liking Quin more this season.

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    I'm not sure what the writers are trying to do. If their is goal is to turn off viewrs, then they are succeeding. I'm giving this series one more week and then I really do mean it. If it doesn't really turn around. I'm done. I'm not keeping Showtime for this mess.

    It was more like an episode of One Tree Hill, than one about Homeland security. IMO, Dana is not in the least bit interesting. Neither is her mom. I don't care to see any of it. If they must keep them, give it within a few minutes. The show is now primarily about a suicidal teen and her love life. I had to ff through their naked romp in the laundry room. How did she get there anyway? She walked?

    The scenes with Carrie are so predictable. She yells, gets angry, throws a tantrum, and blames everyone else for her situation. And we are supposed to blame Saul. Saul didn't force her to sleep with a terrorist. She believes that Brodie did not blow up all those people, but the truth is, she isn't sure. She covered up info about him and helped him escape and she knows he was a terrorist. Yes, the initial bomb explosion failed, but it was only due to a malfunction with the device. Carrie has violated the trust placed in her and her oath to this country. To top it off she goes off her meds and despite her profession that her excerise and diet are the key, we can see how well that is working for her.

    I have no interest in watching Carrie being trusted with sensitive government information and working for our country. She is concerned more with herself and Brodie than protecting this country. Watching a person who is tormented, by her own devices, become our hero is not appealing to me.

    I would like to see more of Saul, Quinn and this new female analyist. That offers much promise. I want to see international intrigue, complex counter intelligence schemes and mysterious characters. We are getting little of this now, with Carrie and her petulant behavior and Dana and her teenage angst.

    Yes, Saul did anger me last night with his insult to the analyst about her headcover. It didn't sound like Saul. I think it was a plot device to make us hate him more, since he is responsible for having Carrie hospitalized....which is where she needs to be. This seems to be a big pity party for Carrie, but she is not the victim here, IMO.
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    I was not wowed by this episode. Like many others, I don't care about Dana's teen sex life and the whole landry room situation was very implausible. It is a psych facility, not summer camp! Also, although I realize that Dana is a teen, I was still very annoyed that a boy was her "reason for living".

    Claire Danes is very good at doing "crazy, crying Carrie", but I'm ready to move on now. No one has pointed out here that there are TONS of meds (in several different classifications) used to treat psychiatric conditions. If she was on one that she felt affected her ability to process information, they could try a different one!

    I liked Quinn in this episode.

    I'm interested to see where this is heading after next week since it looks like Brody will be back in the story. I'm also interested in the new analyst and where her story line is headed.
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