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    Quote Originally Posted by nd4reality View Post
    I just re-watched "Truth or Dare" on Bravo and just wanted to share a few thoughts on second watching. I probably had missed the 1st few minutes while watching this episode last week but the scenes with that reporter Mike from the Village voice were cute and sadly too few. He's a cutie indeed. I wish they would have him feature in another part of the storyline where Maggie needs the press again. Sigh.

    Agreed. Enjoyed watching their interaction in the Berlin episode.

    I cried watching the last scene of the episode with Kate and Nico. It was very well acted by both and well written too.
    Funny, because I had the opposite reaction. I guess it was because Nico only stayed around for a couple of episodes. This was one of the primary reasons I complained earlier about story arcs that last all of 2 or 3 episodes. I felt sorry for Nico and Kate, but I didn't feel a deep, profound sense of loss the way I have in the past with other shows when, say, a favorite character got killed off.


    Loved the scene with the girls playing Truth or Dare.
    I did like that part, but I agree with Watcher that the bit about Laura and the nude photos was way too contrived. I remember thinking "What the heck?" as soon as she said that. I mean, if not for her sister's intervention, she would have made a marriage that she didn't like because she didn't have the guts to stand up to her own mother. And this is the type of person who would take her clothes off for a total stranger? Also, Laura's sheltered upbringing makes it totally implausible. Girls of Laura's class simply did not do those kinds of things back then, because they knew they probably would have been disowned.

    In the pilot, Laura made a big deal about dismissing that mag photo. "It was just some photographer who snapped some picture of me as I left stewardess school to call my sister." And then, as Watcher said, the photographer came to Laura and followed her around Rio. Even then, she clearly indicated that she didn't like it. And we're expected to believe that she voluntarily went to the guy's studio and took her clothes off?

    And finally, as Watcher said, what possible motive would Laura have to go to a photographer's studio, other than maybe for something like a wedding portrait? About the only way you could believe it would be to say that she did it for the money, since she did pawn Greg's engagement ring to her. That's a far cry from and posing for porn pictures, though.

    In fact, since we're on the subject, I didn't necessarily mind the relationship with Joe. I think Laura would have been sympathetic to him. However, the whole deal about her having sex with him I just found to be too contrived. It totally went against her character. Maybe if they had developed the relationship over several episodes. Maybe. But to rush from sympathy to sex in a single episode just felt way too awkward.

    And what was up with Maggie? Inviting a man that she barely knows to her party is bad enough. But then to leave him there with her roommate, alone? Once again, I was not enamored of Maggie's conduct. I've had lots of sympathetic conversations with strangers in my life before, but I've never invited them home for dinner and a shower.


    The parts with Colette and Dean with her flying the plane were cute too.
    I really love this storyline. I loved re-watching the scene at the beginning of the Paris episode. "License? What license?"
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    Well...if you remember in the Rio episode, as they were flying home, Laura told Maggie that she owed the photographer a few more shots once they got back to NYC. Of course, we don't know what happened in the missing episode that would lead her to take the leap and do the nude photos.

    I think part of the reason Laura's stuff seemed so contrived was because the lead in took place in the missing episode. I wish that they had shown it!

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    Well...if you remember in the Rio episode, as they were flying home, Laura told Maggie that she owed the photographer a few more shots once they got back to NYC. Of course, we don't know what happened in the missing episode that would lead her to take the leap and do the nude photos.

    I think part of the reason Laura's stuff seemed so contrived was because the lead in took place in the missing episode. I wish that they had shown it!
    I had forgotten all about that. Thank you for reminding me. You're right, if only we could see that darn missing episode. Maybe Laura does go to his studio and he pressures her into doing it. Who knows? It would have to be some major pressure or incentive, though, because Laura had to know that if those pics ever leaked she could probably never reconcile with her family, and she'd certainly lose her job. If they show her doing it just for the sake of being daring like Maggie, then I think it would still feel contrived.
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    Colette/Dean shippers will like tonight's episode. Note: there are no flashbacks and the spoiler I posted earlier did not happen in this episode; must be a future episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babbred View Post
    I had forgotten all about that. Thank you for reminding me. You're right, if only we could see that darn missing episode. Maybe Laura does go to his studio and he pressures her into doing it. Who knows? It would have to be some major pressure or incentive, though, because Laura had to know that if those pics ever leaked she could probably never reconcile with her family, and she'd certainly lose her job. If they show her doing it just for the sake of being daring like Maggie, then I think it would still feel contrived.
    As an example, the former Miss America, Vanessa Williams, was talked into posing nude by a photographer when she was 18. She worked as his assistant and makeup artist. As a 21-year-old, Laura could be gullible enough to pose nude, I guess. I don't think the purpose was to show how gullible Laura was... but to show that Laura wasn't sexually inhibited... that she wasn't the prim and proper lady that she appeared to be.

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    Colette/Dean shippers will like tonight's episode. Note: there are no flashbacks and the spoiler I posted earlier did not happen in this episode; must be a future episode.
    I missed the 1st 15 minutes or so of the East Coast (atlantic time) show so was wondering if there were any other Ted scenes I may have missed. I'll watch at the regular timeslow of 10 though.It was really a great episode. I really hope all Pan Am fans tune in tonight, its so worth it. Somewhat spoilerish though no specifics so tagging it......
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    Colette had some excellent scenes in this one. Good acting from Kate, Ted and Maggie. Dean too.

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    Um, trying to think of what happens exactly when.
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    Ted was mostly supporting. He was teasing Dean in the beginning about the hurricane they were flying into being named Ginny, which bugged a bit because they totally did not resolve the storyline when they dropped that episode. And he, Ted, was cute when he was rambling in the jeep with Colette.
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    As an example, the former Miss America, Vanessa Williams, was talked into posing nude by a photographer when she was 18. She worked as his assistant and makeup artist. As a 21-year-old, Laura could be gullible enough to pose nude, I guess. I don't think the purpose was to show how gullible Laura was... but to show that Laura wasn't sexually inhibited... that she wasn't the prim and proper lady that she appeared to be.
    No disrespect to Ms. Williams, but as I said, Laura was raised in what appears to be a wealthy family, and this was back in the 60's. Back then girls of her class were treated like nuns--they led very sheltered lives because they were expected to marry well and settle into a life of playing bridge and attending socials. For a good glimpse of this life, watch the movie "A Summer Place." The hero and heroine are a part of Laura's class, and when they fall into temptation and have sex and she gets pregnant, they get married to avoid the scandal.

    I'm not saying that under no circumstances would Laura do this. Obviously the writers came up with some way of making her do it. I'm just saying that it doesn't ring true to Laura's character. The repercussions would have been too immense. Her family probably would have disowned her and Pan Am certainly would have fired her.
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    I think that posing nude does ring true for Laura. She ran away because she wanted to experience life and she's exploring new things -travelling the world, living with Maggie and the beatniks, having sex with Joe etc. I don't think she would have just torn off her top but I can see the photographer suggesting it and Laura, after some deliberating and assurances the photos would be kept safe, going for it. She's already scandalized her mother and her community so I doubt she could ever go back to that community as a staid housewife. And I don't think she would ever want that. I am sure her parents would be horrified at the photos if they ever did come out, but they love her, and would have probably battened down the hatches and worked to protect her.
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    And what about Pan Am? They would have fired her instantly for that kind of crud. Would she risk her job to "find herself"? Especially since that's the only thing she has now that her family is giving her the cold shoulder? If she would be that stupid, then I would lose respect for her, too.
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