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    Re: New TV shows for Fall 2011

    I read an article today that speculated about which show will be the first to get axed this season. The guess was Playboy Club. I think it only had 3.7 million viewers this week, while Castle and Hawaii Five-O both had over 10 million. I think it's only a matter of time before it gets the boot.
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    While I'm not a huge fan of the Playboy Club (the real McCoy), I'd say you may want to do a tad more research on the actual clubs - and a documentary featuring interviews from other Bunnies (No issues with nudity or the like -the two are honestly night and day) - and maybe watch it again. Steinham is one of the stronger feminists out there and she has been known to exaggerate things for self image in the past. The fact that she intentionally got the job so she could write an article to go and flat out attack it turns me off on her (and I'm someone who believes in equality in issues that women do have the capability to be equal, strength we'll always be a bit weaker).

    And, she didn't even really speak out on the show itself until it looked like it'd be a decent success for NBC, so that's another red flag. Shows like this are touted in variety/entertainment industry magazines all the time, so it did strike me as odd that she hadn't said anything until comments about the show came out on TV and other areas. (The fact that the outfits were tight... um, it's been clear for many years that they were corsets in three cup sizes and they sewed them for the waitress when she was hired).

    It's also hard to take her seriously given she is only protesting this portrayal of women. "Pan AM" also features unfair issues with women from back in the day - being blamed for husband's infidelities, the girdles, etc. It's also very sexist as well, and for example the pilot is a bit sleezy toward Ricci's character.

    Note, even I have trouble with the show, and feel it probably won't do well given it's up against a very popular (and definitely better acted) "Castle." It probably will not last longer than a season for that reason. That said, I just feel that Steinham's expose needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
    She really represents some of the feminists out there. There is a split in feminism about a woman's right to use her sexuality and/or body as something to profit from. She has never been a supporter of that. As a feminist I believe a woman has the right to use her body or sexuality and profit from it as long as she is consenting. No one was forced to stay employed at the playboy club. It was not a human trafficking ring and I support women who have worked there. So anytime Steinham speaks in these areas I take it with a huge grain of salt.

    That being said I think the show was still painfully slow and lacks dynamic characters. The bunny mother being like she is isn't helping me enjoy this show either. I gave it another chance. I'm bummed because I can't find any other shows in that time slot that I really want to watch either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by causingchaos View Post
    She really represents some of the feminists out there. There is a split in feminism about a woman's right to use her sexuality and/or body as something to profit from. She has never been a supporter of that. As a feminist I believe a woman has the right to use her body or sexuality and profit from it as long as she is consenting. No one was forced to stay employed at the playboy club. It was not a human trafficking ring and I support women who have worked there. So anytime Steinham speaks in these areas I take it with a huge grain of salt.

    That being said I think the show was still painfully slow and lacks dynamic characters. The bunny mother being like she is isn't helping me enjoy this show either. I gave it another chance. I'm bummed because I can't find any other shows in that time slot that I really want to watch either.
    Ah, good to read a POV like this. I personally too believe that women can use their sexuality as long as they consent. It's why I'm not bothered by "The Playboy Club" nor "Pan AM" (which is the stronger of the two). I'm one who wishes women wouldn't do PORN because I do feel it demeaning, but the clubs were not exactly the same thing.

    The Bunny Mom bothers me only because she's the only black suited Bunny. They usually had a couple who had moved up in the ranks enough to get a black suit. (They started in colors - or in the '70s prints - before you earned the more recognizable color). One way they could spice it up is have one of the waitresses get that suit and it cause conflict because say one had earned it but was denied for some reason. Unfortunately, they'd probably go have the black woman overlooked though to create that drama - which is predictable, even though she's one of the stronger actresses in said show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCL View Post
    They have already announced that this will be the last season for Chuck, ClosetRTWatcher.
    Awww, I missed that announcement. Thanks for the info! I'm sad, but it is better to know going into the season that it is the last!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClosetRTWatcher View Post
    Awww, I missed that announcement. Thanks for the info! I'm sad, but it is better to know going into the season that it is the last!
    Yes, at least they can give it a proper send-off, knowing that this will be their last season. It is also only going to contain 13 episodes, rather than the more-standard 22.
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    I tend to take anything Gloria Steinham says with more than a grain of salt. In any case, this show is not a documentary; it's a fictional show set in a particular environment in the recent past. As such, if it's well written, directed, and acted, I don't care about its message. Personally, I think it is just a mediocre show, not nearly good enough to compete in its time slot. If I watch Playboy Club in the future, it'll be a recording or streaming. It's can't replace either Castle or Hawaii Five-0 for me.
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    Re: New TV shows for Fall 2011

    I watched "How to be a Gentleman" tonight and I have to say it's the first premiere that I truly did not like at all. I didn't laugh once!

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    Me neither. I fell asleep.
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    Re: New TV shows for Fall 2011

    The New Girl ...I'm on the fence. We are watching it but my husband and I both agree, the first 15 minutes aren't funny but the last 15 minutes are. I like the cast so we aren't ready to ditch it yet.

    Terra Nova I liked and Suburgatory is pretty funny. Revenge is a keeper but all the other shows I've been dying to see start later, like Grimm. 2 Broke Girls is pretty good, too. I'm not a fan of Up All Night, although I do like the cast. It's just not that funny.
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