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    I guess I have a different perspective about Mary. I think she's a realist. She knows that she and Edith will never be close, so she's not going to lie and utter a bunch of platitudes. That does nothing to honor Sybil's memory. I didn't think she was being catty. She's just Violet 40 years younger. She's just stating the truth of the situation, matter-of-factly. I still love her.

    As much as I want to like her, I continue to be annoyed by Edith. I don't wish her ill, but I don't really root for her either.
    That's interesting -- and it's amazing how lines that sound funny coming from Violet sound so cold coming from someone younger.

    I guess Mary is like Violet, Sybil was like Cora, and Edith is more like her father -- someone who will most likely succeed in spite of themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical View Post
    I guess I have a different perspective about Mary. I think she's a realist. She knows that she and Edith will never be close, so she's not going to lie and utter a bunch of platitudes. That does nothing to honor Sybil's memory. I didn't think she was being catty. She's just Violet 40 years younger. She's just stating the truth of the situation, matter-of-factly. I still love her.

    As much as I want to like her, I continue to be annoyed by Edith. I don't wish her ill, but I don't really root for her either.
    ITA w/you, Critical. AND I think that is exactly where JF was going with that whole scene between Mary and Edith next to Sybil's bed.

    Mary IS Violet, 40 years younger.

    I would have been very surprised IF Mary had AGREED with Edith.
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    That's interesting -- and it's amazing how lines that sound funny coming from Violet sound so cold coming from someone younger.

    I guess Mary is like Violet, Sybil was like Cora, and Edith is more like her father -- someone who will most likely succeed in spite of themselves.
    Great analysis of the personalities! I like Mary, even though she is cold, sometimes even to Matthew! I also like Edith too, but for different reasons. As soon as Edith gets some success in life, she will overcome her doubting behavior. Loved Sybil, although when she went off with Tom and married him, I had a feeling that something bad might come out of it. So sad about her death.

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    Re: Masterpiece Theater shows (PBS)

    Quote Originally Posted by Critical View Post
    I guess I have a different perspective about Mary. I think she's a realist. She knows that she and Edith will never be close, so she's not going to lie and utter a bunch of platitudes. That does nothing to honor Sybil's memory. I didn't think she was being catty. She's just Violet 40 years younger. She's just stating the truth of the situation, matter-of-factly. I still love her.

    As much as I want to like her, I continue to be annoyed by Edith. I don't wish her ill, but I don't really root for her either.
    I agree with this as well. I didn't read the dialogue as catty either, just reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical View Post
    I guess I have a different perspective about Mary. I think she's a realist. She knows that she and Edith will never be close, so she's not going to lie and utter a bunch of platitudes. That does nothing to honor Sybil's memory. I didn't think she was being catty. She's just Violet 40 years younger. She's just stating the truth of the situation, matter-of-factly. I still love her.

    As much as I want to like her, I continue to be annoyed by Edith. I don't wish her ill, but I don't really root for her either.
    The reason I was so stunned by Mary's reaction is because she spoke so negatively....at an inappropriate time. I agree that she and Edith will probaby never be close but because of the gravity of the situation I thought she should have just given Edith a hug and said nothing.
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    I didn't see it as catty either. Many find that type of comment coupled with the tone of voice surprising. It is not what WE would do.

    But, I myself am not exactly surprised as I have been privy to many sibling/family discussions in situations such as this and I've actually heard worse.
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    Since I hadn't seen this last episode since October, I decided to watch it again. My memory of Mary's reaction was more blunt than it actually was in the episode. Now I really don't understand all the negative reactions.

    Edith simply asked Mary if she thought they would get along better now and Mary just sighed and admitted "Probably not." Then she went on to say that, even it that's true, they can still love each other as sisters on that day and then she hugged Edith. I don't see that was rude or snotty. I thought she was just being honest, but I didn't think she was being mean and I don't think Edith took it that way either.
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    That's true -- after all, the resentment between them is a two-way street. Edith asked the question, but it doesn't mean she was asking because she dearly hoped it would happen. Maybe she was just wondering out loud...
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    Yeah, I didn't get the feeling she was asking Mary if they could make a fresh start. I think Edith has as realistic a view of their relationship as Mary does.
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    I've just finished watching the next 3 episodes. I am on Downton overload, and loving every minute of it!

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