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    OMG, DEBB, I thought of you LAST NIGHT at the very end when CARL walked up to Bill on the street … I said, HOLY TOLEDO, if he shoots Bill, then DEBB called it

    What a great season and what a great finale! I am so going to miss Big Love!
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    Quote Originally Posted by momrek06 View Post
    OMG, DEBB, I thought of you LAST NIGHT at the very end when CARL walked up to Bill on the street Ö I said, HOLY TOLEDO, if he shoots Bill, then DEBB called it Ö

    What a great season and what a great finale! I am so going to miss Big Love!
    I know. I thought we were home free when the guys were sitting in the back yard talking I thought that Sara and Teeny might show up to surprise everyone and it would be a great family reunion. Then when I saw Karl walk up I got this fear that I was right after all. I wish I had been wrong and he didn't die, but I guess the writers felt it was necessary. It's like killing Tony Soprano in the last episode. At least those writers let the viewer decide how they wanted it to go.

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    What a finale! I thought that Bill got off a little too easy, but I loved how the wives seemed to be eleven months later. They seemed much, much more like a family.

    I just wish we would have seen Bill's brother or crazy wife, or more of a justice with Alby. But overall, it's one of the series finales that I haven't been more bummed out by than okay with.

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    I know. I thought we were home free when the guys were sitting in the back yard talking I thought that Sara and Teeny might show up to surprise everyone and it would be a great family reunion. Then when I saw Karl walk up I got this fear that I was right after all. I wish I had been wrong and he didn't die, but I guess the writers felt it was necessary. It's like killing Tony Soprano in the last episode. At least those writers let the viewer decide how they wanted it to go.
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    I did get frustrated with Bill at times, but I am not a very harsh critic of him, because I saw so much good that he did. When his world was tumbling down, Bill went out into the cold night to post fliers and look for his mother. He then went to see her as soon as he got out of jail to cheer her up and then hunted down the old Easter hats she had talked about. I think he was a good and loving son to the end for Lois.
    That scene is one of the reasons I disliked his character, because he forces her to keep putting on hats until he just wears her down and she does it. That's how he was with all his women, his best friend, his kids.
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    Bill was a flawed person. His heart was always in the right place but his words and actions seemed to speak differently. When he told Barb that founded the church for her, it resonated heavily with me for some reason. I think it was the beginning of a realization to him that he simply couldn't just create another "Mormon" church that was a carbon copy that accepted polygamy, but that it had to be more than that. He founded this church so that he could have the family he wanted, but that really couldn't come to total fruition until he let his family be who they wanted to be. That meant that Barb had to become a priest holder, she needed to be given the one thing that she asked for.

    It was almost "Joseph Smith"-esque that he had these visions through out the season directing him into finally seeing that its not faith first and then family but that family and the love from that family is what his church is all about. Maybe that's why the writers killed Bill, because he had to become a martyr of his cause.

    I dunno, maybe I am reading too much into the whole thing, but there were so many little nuances in this season and really in this episode that I didn't see them all until I watched it again. One of them was in the final scene, seeing Cara Lynn with out her braided. It signified to me that she was growing and that she was growing beyone the notion that she is a "compound girl", much in the way that Nikki grew from season 1 until the finale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psycobabe007 View Post
    Bill was a flawed person. His heart was always in the right place but his words and actions seemed to speak differently. When he told Barb that founded the church for her, it resonated heavily with me for some reason. I think it was the beginning of a realization to him that he simply couldn't just create another "Mormon" church that was a carbon copy that accepted polygamy, but that it had to be more than that. He founded this church so that he could have the family he wanted, but that really couldn't come to total fruition until he let his family be who they wanted to be. That meant that Barb had to become a priest holder, she needed to be given the one thing that she asked for.

    I dunno, maybe I am reading too much into the whole thing, but there were so many little nuances in this season and really in this episode that I didn't see them all until I watched it again. One of them was in the final scene, It was almost "Joseph Smith"-esque that he had these visions through out the season directing him into finally seeing that its not faith first and then family but that family and the love from that family is what his church is all about. Maybe that's why the writers killed Bill, because he had to become a martyr of his causeseeing Cara Lynn with out her braided. It signified to me that she was growing and that she was growing beyone the notion that she is a "compound girl", much in the way that Nikki grew from season 1 until the finale.
    I don't think you are reading too much into it, at all. This was a definite theme. Bill the Visionary, Bill the Prophet. And what usually happens to visionaries and prophets?
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    Bill always cared about his family, that was definitely genuine, and it's what endears him to me most. Until the final two seasons everything he did was for the good of his family. I just think the writers took him off track once he got obsessed with taking everything public and wanting recognition in the Senate.

    As for martyrdom, he was killed by a neighbor who was mad that Bill was thriving in a downturned economy. There were so many opportunities to make him a martyr for his beliefs; this was more like having a meteor drop from the sky. I read an interview with the writers and they said they wanted him to leave the show as a hero. I think they did it in such a hamfisted way. Having the Senate applaud him and the ghosts of polygamists past smile at him in church doesn't make him a hero. They should have killed him off the episode prior and given an entire episode to the wives learning how to endure.

    When you read about Joseph Smith, he was a horrible person to emulate. I apologize to any Mormons for that statement, but just going by history and leaving any religion out of it, he looks like a sex addict to the modern eye. But you can't say his death was not a martyrdom - he was killed by an angry mob to shut him up about his beliefs.

    About Bill starting the church for Barb, sure he did - but it was because he was the reason she was excommunicated from LDS, which hurt her deeply (and involved her being publicly humiliated, remember her being escorted from the governor's mansion through the service entrance?). So yes, he started it for her and so they could go to church without it being a deception (actually, I always wondered what they did before that) but at the same time, it came from such a painful place that I don't see it as a generous act on his part. And I know this is my own personal issue, but it bothers me that it took dying on the street before Bill could accept his wife could hold the priesthood, something he accepted in anyone with a penis just on their say-so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hepcat View Post
    Bill always cared about his family, that was definitely genuine, and it's what endears him to me most. Until the final two seasons everything he did was for the good of his family. I just think the writers took him off track once he got obsessed with taking everything public and wanting recognition in the Senate.

    As for martyrdom, he was killed by a neighbor who was mad that Bill was thriving in a downturned economy. There were so many opportunities to make him a martyr for his beliefs; this was more like having a meteor drop from the sky. I read an interview with the writers and they said they wanted him to leave the show as a hero. I think they did it in such a hamfisted way. Having the Senate applaud him and the ghosts of polygamists past smile at him in church doesn't make him a hero. They should have killed him off the episode prior and given an entire episode to the wives learning how to endure.

    When you read about Joseph Smith, he was a horrible person to emulate. I apologize to any Mormons for that statement, but just going by history and leaving any religion out of it, he looks like a sex addict to the modern eye. But you can't say his death was not a martyrdom - he was killed by an angry mob to shut him up about his beliefs.

    About Bill starting the church for Barb, sure he did - but it was because he was the reason she was excommunicated from LDS, which hurt her deeply (and involved her being publicly humiliated, remember her being escorted from the governor's mansion through the service entrance?). So yes, he started it for her and so they could go to church without it being a deception (actually, I always wondered what they did before that) but at the same time, it came from such a painful place that I don't see it as a generous act on his part. And I know this is my own personal issue, but it bothers me that it took dying on the street before Bill could accept his wife could hold the priesthood, something he accepted in anyone with a penis just on their say-so.
    I guess the way I see it is it doesn't matter when he finally accepts Barb as a priesthood holder, it just matters that he did.
    Furthermore, the appearances of Emma Smith (Joseph Smith's wife) in the dream sequence at the church and before that were trying to show Bill the abusive nature of polygamy. Joseph Smith (well, to me) was nothing more than a man who cheated repeatedly on his wife, and really, Frank was the same way with Lois. Bill saw what this did to Lois and I think part of that dream was realizing that he had the opportunity to change it, to make it better. I think that is what made what Frank did for Lois so much more bittersweet.

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    I have read all the thoughts in this thread about a potential for "Big Love" the movie. At first, I was totally opposed, thinking the main character is dead. But, now that I have had a bit of time to digest it all, I have to say I think it would be a good idea. And with Bill dead the movie would be much more quasi-feminist with Barb being a minister now. The growth of these three women with the shadow/ghost of Bill could be interesting to watch. Perhaps Barb might even get a vision for a female polygamist branch of the church.

    After all, women like men as much as men like women. Otherwise where would baby polygamist come from?!

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