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    I still like Locke, but last night was out of character. Add to the things he has done: using hallucinagins on Boone and leaving him tied up out in the jungle, getting Boone killed in the teetering plane, being awed by the beauty of the beast which in all other sightings is evil. Now remind me, who knocked out Sayid when he was trying to get a radio signal? One thing last night that happened so fast I wanted to ask about it here: When Charlie had the dream, a white dove (baptism) flew through, but it looked like a black one did also - a shadow? Still, it was so black/white like the stones and the game pieces and Locke's eyes one ep. Anyone else see that? I was confused about why Charlie started the fire and took Aaron. Was he planning to do the baptism himself? He could have wiped out their whole camp with the fire. Do heroin users have flashbacks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noreen View Post
    I was a little disappointed with this episode. Certainly not up to par for the show IMO. Yes, I agree, they must be reading the message boards....
    I fell asleep on Lost! Guess there is a first time for everything! Luckily it was being recorded on Tivo. I will finish watching it this morning....

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    Dominic Monaghan Has the Dope on Lost
    by Matt Webb Mitovich

    This week's Lost (airing at 9pm/ET on ABC, for the 108 of you who don't know) focuses its attention on Charlie, whom Claire and some others (but not those Others) suspect may be chasing the dragon... sampling the smack... riding the H train... OK, I've run out of euphemisms (and even made up that last one, I think). But is DriveSHAFT's bass player actually back with the brown sugar? TVGuide.com went to Dominic Monaghan for the inside dope.

    TVGuide.com: Regarding this week's episode, "Fire + Water," I imagine you must have been excited to tap back into Charlie's sad little past. It's been a while for you.Dominic Monaghan: It has been a while. This season has been, in a sense, about change, in terms of the format, in terms of how they've told the story, and that's been a little adjustment for me. I'm good friends with [Lost cocreator] Damon Lindelof, and I had a conversation with him in which I asked, "What's going on? What's the deal this year?" He said, "We've got a lot of stories to tell that don't necessarily concern your character — about the hatch, the guys on the raft, the tail section of the plane — and we need to deal with those stories and tell them in the correct amount of time it's going to take the audience to understand them, and then we're going to get back to our regulars. You just need to hang in there and take it easy." I trust Damon and [executive producer] Carlton [Cuse], and once they said that to me, I just spent a lot of time getting ready and contributing as much as I could, and slowly watching Charlie seep back into the show. Last week I was in it a little bit more, and this week is Charlie-prominent. I have to admit, it's been an interesting roller coaster, but it's also informed me about my character. I think Charlie feels confused about his place in the group, how he can contribute, where he's headed.

    TVGuide.com: A lot of fans have labeled him — and I'll clean this up a bit — "the screwup."Monaghan: Yeah, he is a screwup, and also in my mind, he's a wild card, the joker in the pack. We don't necessarily know where he's headed. He's not, for me, as black and white as characters like Jack or Hurley, who seem like intrinsically good characters, or people like Ethan or Locke, who seem a little more sinister. It appears to me that Charlie is really cutting straight down the middle — in one episode, he'll be a good guy and a hero, and in the next he'll fail. For me as an actor, sitting on the fence is a great place to be. I've said that from the start. Right now, I'm trying to be a "bad" good guy, and at some point he could turn into a "good" bad guy.

    TVGuide.com: In true Lost fashion, ABC hasn't released much information about "Fire + Water," other than to say, "When Charlie's vividly surreal dreams lead him to believe Claire's baby is in danger, Locke suspects Charlie may be using again." What can you add?Monaghan: Charlie's in a headspace were he's obviously feeling pretty ostracized from Claire and from the baby, which for a long time has been his rock on the island — a reason to behave, a reason to get up in the morning, a routine, as it were. Once Charlie starts to gravitate to the fascination around drugs, specifically heroin, again, Claire pushes him away from the baby, and that sends him onto a careening course of lack of sleep, a lack of a place to call home. Because of that, the dreams that haunt Charlie relate to things going on in his past. [The flashbacks are from] when he's about 20 years old, delving into Charlie's relationship with his mother and father.

    TVGuide.com: Is that pre-DriveSHAFT?Monaghan: No, it's actually as DriveSHAFT is kicking off. There are a lot of issues that Charlie has with the responsibility that was lumped on him by his mother, who said, "We are going to look to you to save the family, and you're going to do that with the music you play." He felt a lot of responsibility for his family, and that [ties into] the island, his family now being Claire and Aaron. With all these paranoid dreams, he starts to second-guess how Aaron should be treated, and that causes problems.

    TVGuide.com: By the end of the episode, will we know for certain, one way or the other, whether Charlie's using again?Monaghan: He has a scene with one of the characters on the island where he reveals exactly what's been going on with the drugs, where his head is at.

    TVGuide.com: Lost has Mr. Eko, recurring faith-versus-science debates, baby Aaron as an ersatz Moses.... What do you think about all the religious themes that seem to pop up?Monaghan: I come from England, a country that doesn't really hold church and god in as a high regard as you guys do, and I think the writers are savvy to the fact that they can tap into that interest in this country. If you're in a life-and-death situation, you can go to those places of "What's life all about?" and "Is there a god who's orchestrating the whole thing?" The show itself seems to deal with [those] themes. Lost kind of shrouds itself with special effects and characters, but you're dealing with questions we ask ourselves every day, like "Why are we here?"

    TVGuide.com: Let's talk about the black smoke. What kind of scene direction were you given regarding Charlie's reaction to the creature confronting Eko?Monaghan: The script described "smoky tendrils" and there were lots of directorial notes about how "this will be a very scary special-effects shot." I've been fortunate enough to have worked on projects with special effects. Specifically coming to mind is The Lord of the Rings....

    TVGuide.com: Yeah, there were a few special effects there.Monaghan: [Laughs] I've been told, "OK, that tennis ball is the most terrifying thing you've seen in your life, and it's 300 feet taller than [it appears] now, and it's 150 feet wide." As a kid, I would play-act and imagine things — I would imagine I was Han Solo or Indiana Jones — so as actors, we have the ability to take ourselves there. When I was in the tree and the smoke starts coming up, the director just said, "You're looking down on something that you know has the ability to pick up the pilot of the plane and can lift trees out of the ground... a tremendously powerful, intimidating thing." It looks like a big plume of black smoke, but obviously it's something a bit more sinister than that. Something terrifying and supernatural.

    TVGuide.com: Having seen all kinds of computer-generated effects in the Lord of the Rings films, what did you think of the final product Lost was able to pull off?Monaghan: It was good. But I don't think it's the be-all, end-all of the monster. In my mind, and this is an uneducated guess, it felt like an "eye" or some sort of tool that the ultimate monster is able to put out there as a sort of navigation device on the island. I don't feel like we've seen the ultimate monster. It could just be an appendage — but hopefully not a sexual organ. That would be terrifying.

    TVGuide.com: Obviously Matthew Fox gets questions like "Who will Kate choose — Jack or Sawyer?" What question do fans ask you most often?Monaghan: Recently, I got a lot of people asking if Charlie's going to chase the dragon again. And I get the generic questions of "What's the monster?" and "Are you guys actually dead?" But I also get a lot of personal questions about me, not necessarily about Charlie.

    TVGuide.com: Would you say that the paparazzi industry in Oahu has doubled or tripled since you started filming there?Monaghan: Certainly outside my door, it has, which is "fun."

    TVGuide.com: Did they have to import photographers, or did the locals just learn how to use digital cameras?Monaghan: There's definitely that — the locals have caught on that if they can get shots of people on the beach, they can sell them. There seem to be [actors] in the industry who welcome that — people who [stand] outside of nightclubs knowing there's going to be a slew of photographers taking their picture. Me, I've never, ever flirted with the press in that way. I don't want people to follow me around. I don't think that my private life outside of the set is anyone's business. So what I try to instill in [tabloid reporters and photographers] is that I'm the most boring guy in the world. As soon as people start following me around, I start doing the most boring things — I pick up dry cleaning, I shop for video games, I walk around the park — until they're not interested anymore. It comes with the territory, but... it's not much fun.

    TVGuide.com: You kept a few pairs of the latex hobbit feet from The Lord of the Rings. Are they in a display case or, like, in a closet next to your Docksiders?Monaghan: My mom and dad put one set in a display case. I gave another set to my brother, I gave a pair to my best friend in England, and I have a set.

    TVGuide.com: Are any of them, you know, mangy?Monaghan: They can get a little decrepit, because the glue starts to degrade and smell. You have to be careful.

    TVGuide.com: Lastly, although you're an avid surfer in real life, I guess that's not something Charlie would be into?Monaghan: I keep sending little memos to Damon, saying, "Charlie finds a surfboard on the island." This is a flight that went from Sydney to Los Angeles, two very high-profile surfing destinations, so there must have been at least three or four surfboards on that plane. "Charlie finds a surfboard, he gets bored, and tries out a few waves." I don't think they're necessarily going to turn Charlie into the ultimate athlete I am, but who knows? Maybe at some point in the future!


    My comment: Note that Dominic put Locke and ETHAN in one group. Coincedence?
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    'Lost' Star Named As TV's Top 'Hunk'


    Jan 25, 2:47 PM (ET)

    NEW YORK (AP) - Josh Holloway, who plays con man Sawyer on the hit ABC series "Lost," has been named the "hottest hunk" on television by In Touch Weekly.

    The magazine, in an issue on newsstands Friday, says the 36-year-old actor is the best of today's small-screen studs, even surpassing castmate Matthew Fox. Fox, who plays Jack on the Emmy-winning drama series, landed ninth on the top-10 list.

    Of Holloway, "Lost" co-star Evangeline Lilly is quoted saying, "He's the guy who opens doors, carries the bags for woman and makes sure they feel protected. It's a very endearing quality."

    Holloway is no bachelor, though. He's been married to Yessica Kumula since 2004. Fox, 39, has two children with his wife of 14 years, Margherita Ronchi.

    Second on the list is John Stamos of ABC's "Jake in Progress." The 42-year-old actor, who previously starred on "Full House," was divorced from Rebecca Romijn last year.

    In Touch says Stamos is still a hunk because he "has been twinkling those green eyes at us for 20 years."

    Also on the list: Jared Padalecki from "Supernatural," David Boreanaz ("Bones"), Wentworth Miller ("Prison Break"), Eddie Cibrian ("Invasion"), Patrick Dempsey ("Grey's Anatomy"), Shemar Moore ("Criminal Minds") and Tom Welling ("Smallville").

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    Diapers, flirting and heroin, oh my!

    The thing with the band being fired by the director couldn't have been a music video 'cause the director wouldn't have had the power to fire the band. (The record label could have.) And if it was a music video and Liam was that out of it, they would've had Liam doing something else (like sleeping quietly in the corner) or subbed him in with a different guy ('N Sync did that when one of the not-Justins hurt his leg--their choreographer subbed in for him).

    I think it was a diaper or baby soap commercial, too, like whoever else said that earlier (sorry, I can't remember). I think it was a way of showing how desparate the band was--that they'd sink to wearing diapers in a commercial to earn some money and get some face time (or is that butt time?).

    I really don't like Liam. I know that everyone is responsible for their own actions, especially when you're a grown man. But how do you justify selling your brother's prized possession, the piano (which is also a source of his livlihood since he writes his music on it), to save yourself. It's obvious he cared more about himself than Charlie, who had no one else. So basically, Liam screwed up the band and made it so that Charlie would have a really difficult time staying afloat. He never even said, "I'm sorry and I'll pay you back." Or, "As soon as I get back on my feet, I'll bring you over to Sydney to go into rehab."

    Regarding Claire being too judgmental with Charlie...well, if it was just the two of them, I'd maybe agree with you all. But she has her baby to think about. How many of you would want to entrust your child to the care of someone who is acting erractically, who you found out just recently has a stash of heroin hidden away (and, oh yeah, he was a junkie and may still be one) and who took your child away while you were sleeping? If he had taken my baby, I would've been the one to knock him out (not Locke).

    I actually didn't think it was that uncharacstic of Locke to punch Charlie out. There comes a certain point when physical violence may seem like the only way to drive in the point that you are out of line. This isn't the first time they've beat each other up. Jin went after Michael. They shackled Jin. Sayid tortured Sawyer. etc. etc. And there was no baby involved there.
    and Locke seems to me like the kind of guy who uses violence sparingly, but when he does, it makes an impact.

    Libby is SO NOT telling the truth. When she and Hurley were doing their wash and he said don't I know you from somewhere, did you guys notice that she immediately deflected that by UNDRESSING (OK, she told him to turn his back but I'm sure he's got a good imagination) to get his mind off his question?

    I didn't think Sawyer was mean to Hurley, either. Sawyer calls everyone names (I love that! I love when he calls Kate "cupcake"). He also recognized that Hurley was too shy and would probably always admire Libby from afar. I was laughing out loud when he (Swayer) said, "Hey Libby" and walked into the tent, letting her think it was Hurley who called out to her.

    Anyhow, I really enjoyed the show. I really like Ecko and the way his speaks. That actor is awesome.

    I am freaked out by the previews at what looks like the abduction of Sun! She and Jin are two of my favorite characters on the show! I don't want either killed off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rembrant View Post
    Besides Jabba, he also called him Jethro and Hoss. Don't know what he meant with 'Hoss', since the only way I use that word is as a short way of saying 'horse'.
    Thank you!!!! Jethro and Hoss. I couldn't think of it.
    Hurley: (holding up a Jesus statue) I don't know. I thought there might be a prowler or something.
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    I think "Hoss" was the big-guy on Bonanza (thus, another insult at the heavy Hurley)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nilesgirl View Post
    Thank you!!!! Jethro and Hoss. I couldn't think of it.
    In one show, Jethro, Hoss, Jabba, (Pillsbury) doughboy, etc., all jibes at Hurley's weight/size. Now Hoss was tall and big, maybe somewhat overweight but not bad looking, Jethro I don't know, but Jabba and the doughboy are pretty unattractive images. If he wanted to use slacker nicknames that would be just as appropriate to the "dude" using Hurley and not so hurtful, esp. coming from the "top hunk" Sawyer, the equivalent of the high school sports star. So, not liking Sawyer now. Easy for him to have confidence with women....when he approaches them he knows if he gets rejected it won't be for his looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PWS View Post
    In one show, Jethro, Hoss, Jabba, (Pillsbury) doughboy, etc., all jibes at Hurley's weight/size. Now Hoss was tall and big, maybe somewhat overweight but not bad looking, Jethro I don't know, but Jabba and the doughboy are pretty unattractive images. If he wanted to use slacker nicknames that would be just as appropriate to the "dude" using Hurley and not so hurtful, esp. coming from the "top hunk" Sawyer, the equivalent of the high school sports star. So, not liking Sawyer now. Easy for him to have confidence with women....when he approaches them he knows if he gets rejected it won't be for his looks.
    Not to make light of it or belittle your feelings (I respect your opinion) but aren't you taking it a little too seriously? Sawyer has been using nicknames for everyone ever since the show started. He called Shannon sticks (which might be a little offensive to really skinny people). He called Sayid Captain Falafel. I think he even had one for Jin. This is how Sawyer keeps all the strandees straight. The writers wanted to add a little comedic feel to the show so they put a little comic relief in there by having Sawyer refer to people with funny nicknames. I don't want to speak for everyone but I'm sure the majority of the viewers find his nicknames funny. It's just a TV show. It's just a script. Don't take it so seriously. Just chuckle like the rest of us. Besides, I'm sure if Hurley gets sick enough of the nicknames he'll end up punching Sawyer anyway. But until then let's all have a little chuckle when Sawyer calls Hurley Jethro or when he calls Sayid Captain Falafel.
    Hurley: (holding up a Jesus statue) I don't know. I thought there might be a prowler or something.
    Mrs. Reyes: (grabbing the statue) Jesus Christ is not a weapon! - LOST "There's No Place Like Home Pt. 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by PWS View Post
    So, not liking Sawyer now. Easy for him to have confidence with women....when he approaches them he knows if he gets rejected it won't be for his looks.
    Yeah, but isn't it WORSE to get rejected for your personality than your looks? Everyone talks about inner beauty...that's like saying your inner beauty sucks!

    And isn't Jethro a reference to Jethro Clampbett from The Beverly Hillbillies? He was NOT fat. In fact, he was considered the show's hunk (tall, dark and handsome). The Pillsbury doughboy is adorable (in my mind). He's chubby, not fat. Hoss, big boned, as I recall. Jabba...yeah, that's a bad one.

    I don't want Sawyer to be politically correct. The whole thing about him, in my opinion, is to make him likeable DESPITE his obvious flaws (crook, bullying tendencies, selfishness etc.). The island would be SOOOOOOOOO boring with everyone getting along and being poltically correct. I like that there's tension and dissension. I also like the Ana Lucia character 'cause she's different from the other women--she's more like the male characters, in a way.

    As bad as it is, a lot of people in the real world would probably describe the characters (in real life) as the fat guy, the hot chick, the Latina hottie, the Chinese couple (even though they're not Chinese), the bald guy, the junkie etc. etc. I don't think it's so bad to reflect some of that on the show.

    But that's just me.

    Quote Originally Posted by nilesgirl View Post
    Not to make light of it or belittle your feelings (I respect your opinion) but aren't you taking it a little too seriously? Sawyer has been using nicknames for everyone ever since the show started.
    Agreed! I just read yours after I posted mine...I think we were posting our thoughts at the same time!

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