Lost - Season 1.

[Burntcrow]

Originally Posted by Honeyoats

I agree, however my 5 year old daughter would love it...

I suspected an angry unicorn all along. I also have a gut feeling an angry urchin had something to do with the drowning on this last episode.

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[Gutmutter]

I'm pretty sure dad was leading him to water. I'm also pretty sure dad is all hallucination. We did see him in a body bag at the morgue afterall. They said more than once that Jack hadn't slept and mentioned post-stress syndrome, so they gave us more than enough reason to think he was in an altered state whether alcohol withdrawal was a factor or not. Could someone discribe for me the alcohol incident on the plane? Why do we think Jack has a drinking problem? I didn't get that from last night at all, but I missed the first two episodes. Thanks.

[Burntcrow]

Originally Posted by Gutmutter

I'm pretty sure dad was leading him to water. I'm also pretty sure dad is all hallucination. We did see him in a body bag at the morgue afterall. They said more than once that Jack hadn't slept and mentioned post-stress syndrome, so they gave us more than enough reason to think he was in an altered state whether alcohol withdrawal was a factor or not. Could someone discribe for me the alcohol incident on the plane? Why do we think Jack has a drinking problem? I didn't get that from last night at all, but I missed the first two episodes. Thanks.

When he was on the plane, he said his drink was not strong enough so the stewardess slipped him one of those tiny bottles of liqour instead of the normal watered down drink. This is the only thing I can think of from the first episodes....he didn't even drink the bottle, he used it for his wound.

[Gutmutter]

That's it? Was he beligerent when he complained about the drink? I've heard so much about Jack's "drinking problem" here, I thought it was a given. Now I'm inclined to agree with whoever (sorry) pointed out that if he had a problem he would have been looking through the wreckage for the tiny bottles. He was definitely told over and over at a formative age that he didn't "have what it takes" by his dad. I think that's why he was so unwilling to take on a leadership role. But hacking the coffin apart seemed to dispell all that and when he returned to the group he was in control. I think Locke is happy to stay in the background doing wilderness survival stuff and nudging peoples' awareness of the magic on the island.

[Burntcrow]

Originally Posted by Gutmutter

That's it? Was he beligerent when he complained about the drink? I've heard so much about Jack's "drinking problem" here, I thought it was a given. Now I'm inclined to agree with whoever (sorry) pointed out that if he had a problem he would have been looking through the wreckage for the tiny bottles. He was definitely told over and over at a formative age that he didn't "have what it takes" by his dad. I think that's why he was so unwilling to take on a leadership role. But hacking the coffin apart seemed to dispell all that and when he returned to the group he was in control. I think Locke is happy to stay in the background doing wilderness survival stuff and nudging peoples' awareness of the magic on the island.

not at all..it was a friendly exchange actually.

[Leftcoaster]

Originally Posted by chrelsey

Leftcoaster, your comment about the dead dad doing some scavenging of his own to come up with tennies made me think.

When my dad died recently, and we took his clothes up to the funeral home, we were told to bring everything EXCEPT shoes. I didn't know - up until that point - that typically they don't put shoes on the body that is to be buried. So . . . it could be that Jack's dad's body WAS on the plane - in the now empty coffin - and that if he DID experience his own miracle, he would have had to find shoes, because he would have been shoeless.

Too much of a stretch???

Not too much in my opinion. Sorry about your loss.

I haven't seen all that many depictions of preparation for burial, I seem to recall in 'The Big Chill' them lacing up shoes, but that can be faulty memory on my part. With every other fantastic thing occurring on the show, I am nowhere near convinced his dad was dead to begin with. He presumably had a cocktail of booze and pills, one that may have supressed his system to the point where they could misinterpret someone in a coma as being dead.

If they leapt to the obvious conclusion for a man his age, heart attack brought on or augmented by the booze and drugs, they could have passed on an autopsy lacking any suggestion of foul play. I doubt that the ME would have anything to do with embalming, and judging by how Jack seemed to want to get this concluded with the least fuss, I don't see him springing for it either.

I think Jack's dad came to resting within the flimsiest excuse for a coffin ever constructed, and likely huffed, puffed, and blew the hatch open. Whether he had shoes on or not, whatever he was or wasn't wearing probably seemed insufficent and he did a little island shopping at the only store available.

(Probably picked up shoes as an afterthought while searching for booze)

[Gutmutter]

But I distinctly remember one point where Jack was staring at his "dad" standing ankle deep in water and Kate was looking right at the same spot (last week's show). Jack said something like "Did you see that man?" and she said no, he needed to get some sleep. In the same scene, Jack looked away and then right back again and he was gone. Not walking away, or swimming. Gone. Does anyone else remember this? I haven't taped the shows to go back and review.

[Leftcoaster]

I recall that, Gutmutter. There have been a couple of instances (at least) where Jack saw him one moment, and in the next he was gone, with too much open space to have allowed for his disappearance.

I still believe that Jack saw him in the flesh once or twice, and his condition and the associated circumstances allowed Jack to 'see' his dad several more times when he wasn't actually there.

If Jack had found his dads body still in the coffin I'd be prepared to write ALL the visions off to stressed out hallucinations; but lacking dad's body in the casket that appeared to be in good shape until Jack's little fit, I'm left to conclude that dad is up and about, and not because of the supernatural, assuming that the producers meant it when they said this all has nothing to do with magic and the like.

[Qboots]

Originally Posted by Jay

Regarding Saturday, CTV is also airing back to back episodes. It's listed on their website.

Thanks for clearing that up Jay. I didn't check their website, just the TV grid at canada.com. It's been updated correctly today.

Getting back to the doll in the waterfall, it reminded me of Charlton Heston picking up a doll in 'Planet of the Apes' and thereby proving that humans had previously inhabited that area. Maybe that doll wasn't from the airplane, but from the people who were there 16 years ago.

I also wanted to agree with a few people who are saying that Locke is their favorite character. Terry O'Quinn has usually played fairly intriguing characters on shows such as: Millenium, The X-Files, Alias, West Wing and Harsh Realm. I was so disappointed at the end of episode one - I wondered why they'd bother casting him if he was only going to play "an old guy sitting on a beach". But they've made much better use of him since then.

[Kaky]

I have a few more questions and comments to add to the pile:

Jack said to the ticket agent when pleading to get the coffin put on the airplane: I JUST want to bury my father. Now, after chasing his father around the island and finding the place where the body should be...so now he could bury his father, he can't. No body to bury. He went to AUS to get his dad, mission is not accomplished unless he can find that body.

2. Could their names be signficant?

Locke:
A device operated by a key, combination, or keycard and used, as on a door, for holding, closing, or securing.
A section of a waterway, such as a canal, closed off with gates, in which vessels in transit are raised or lowered by raising or lowering the water level of that section.
A mechanism in a firearm for exploding the charge.
An interlocking or entanglement of elements or parts.
Sports. A hold in wrestling or self-defense that is secured on a part of an opponent's body.
A secure hold; control: The distributor has a lock on most of the market.
A sure thing; a certainty: His promotion is a lock.

I know....a far-reaching notion but their names might be a clue.