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    To clarify...

    The Pledge of Allegiance

    The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

    In its original form it read:

    "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

    "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration.

    Today it reads:

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
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    Sherri's comment today was so mindless, "what did it say before, under Allah?"
    I want to give her the benefit of the doubt because she is a comedian and could be trying to make a joke, but she comes off as so uneducated to me.
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    Somebody needs to point that out to Sherri. Just because you learned it one way doesn't mean that is how it was originally written. It was like she didn't want to know that it could be another way.

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    For my entire lifetime it has had "under God" in it. I never knew that the phrase was not always there.

    At chapel at my son's school not only is the Pledge of Allegiance said, but also the pledge to the Christian flag and to the Bible. Thank heavens we can afford to send him to a private school.

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    When it comes to the pledge debate though, how relevant is the question of how it was originally written? There are many things we go by that we rely on the way its written now rather than how it was originally written -- The Constitution is just one example. I can go and vote next Tuesday. As a woman, I would not be able to as the Constitution was originally written. I'd say the Constitution is even better as its written now than as it was originally written.

    I can appreciate that the historical evolution of the pledge of allegience does matter in the discussion. And I can appreciate that anyone expressing a strong opinion on the issue is best served understanding that evolution. But I'm not sure that knowledge of that history does much of anything to dramatically strengthen the argument on either side of the debate.

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    The original version sounds good to me, not just because im an atheist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SavhLaney;2638668;
    For my entire lifetime it has had "under God" in it. I never knew that the phrase was not always there.

    At chapel at my son's school not only is the Pledge of Allegiance said, but also the pledge to the Christian flag and to the Bible. Thank heavens we can afford to send him to a private school.
    My problem wasn't with her not knowing, it was with her attitude of disbelief that it was at one time different.

    My daughter is in public school and they still say the pledge wit Under God in it. They don't say it daily, but weekly.

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    Personally, I think that this info is great just in case I should ever need it on "Jeopardy"!
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    That wasn't Sherri's only irritating quality today. I was also extremely irritated with her antics during the Tim Daly interview as well. She asked him a question about something that had happened to him in his hotel. He started to answer but then she interrupted him to sniff his neck and tell him that she didn't find him stinky.. and that little fawning took far too long. She didn't even take the hint when Whoopi teasingly went behind her and separated her from laying on TD.... she then proceeded to interrupt his very next story as well. It was embarrassing for her, but somehow I don't think she has that level of realization.

    Just like she was completely not playing the comedian during the pledge debate. She repeated the "I never knew it to be that way" defense far too often, and the look on her face was of serious confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amy Lee;2638716;
    The original version sounds good to me, not just because im an atheist.
    I can't claim to be an true atheist because I'd be relying upon the same 'lack of proof' that 'believers' rely on. However, I personally think it's far more likely there is no God.

    Having said that, I have no problem saying 'under God'. Neither do have a problem bowing my head in 'prayer' at gatherings, or joining hands, or any number of 'belief' based gestures. Personally, I find this whole issue to be much ado about nothing.

    ETA: I'm with you all the way Shay.
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