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    Re: Challenge 25

    Final Challenge Stages: 2 Days
    First three stages done with a partner.

    1. Raft Down River
    2. 10 K run - 2000 ft rise in elevation with at puzzle stop at the end and 30 minutes to complete the puzzle, you can leave before the 30 minute period if you complete the puzzle else you leave after 30 minutes are up.
    3. Tethered Trail Hike and Climb - 2000 ft rise in elevation
    4. 25 miles on a bike - end of Day 1
    5. Climb to the top of the volcano - Day 2


    Partnered Challenges
    Challenge Team Time
    Raft Down The River Laurel & Bananas 40 min
    Nany & Johnny 44 min 53 sec
    Devyn & Zach 58 min 21 sec
    10 K Run & Puzzle Laurel & Johnny 1hr 23min 54sec
    Nany & Zach 1hr 30min
    Devyn & Bananas 1hr 34min 47sec
    Trail Hike & Climb Nany & Bananas 2hr 19min 14sec
    Laurel & Zach 2hr 39min 36sec
    Devyn & Johnny 2hr 52min 45sec

    Only Devyn and Bananas finished the Puzzle so did not stay the entire 30 minutes at the puzzle site.

    The Puzzle was to put together a tree stump that had the name of North and South American cities. You had to list the cities in order from north most to south most.

    Starting with:
    1. Vancouver
    2. Portland
    3. San Francisco
    4. Los Angeles
    5. Rosarita
    6. Manzanillo
    7. Peurto Vallarta
    8. Oaxaca
    9. Panama
    10. Lima
    11. La Paz
    12. Santiago
    13. Pucon
    14. Bariloche

    Bananas figured out the puzzle by observing that they had written the names on the tree stumps first and then cut the slices and to solve the puzzle all they had to do was line up the sliced parts of the tree correctly.
    Last edited by Bearcata; 07-07-2014 at 07:17 PM.
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    Re: Challenge 25

    Order of Finishing By Time

    Bananas
    ----Challenge----- Teammate Time Place
    Raft Down River Laurel 40 min 1st
    10K Run & Puzzle Devyn 1hr 34min 47sec 3rd
    Trail Hike & Climb Nany 2hr 19min 14sec 1st
    25 Mile Bike Ride Self 61 min 1st place, 1st male
    Climb Up Volcano Self 2hr 36min 2nd
    Total Time 8hr 11min 1sec won

    Johnny
    ----Challenge----- Teammate Time Place
    Raft Down River Nany 44 min 2nd
    10K Run & Puzzle Laurel 1hr 23min 54sec 1st
    Trail Hike & Climb Devyn 2hr 52min 45sec 3rd
    25 Mile Bike Ride --Self-- 1hr 23min 2nd place, 2nd male
    Climb Up Volcano --Self-- 2hr 4min 1st
    Total Time-------- -------- 8hr 28min 32sec 2nd place, 2nd male

    Laurel
    ----Challenge----- Teammate Time Place
    Raft Down River Bananas- 40 min 1st
    10K Run & Puzzle Johnny-- 1hr 23min 54sec 1st
    Trail Hike & Climb Zach---- 2hr 39min 36sec 2nd
    25 Mile Bike Ride --Self-- 1hr 32min 4th place, 1st female
    Climb Up Volcano --Self-- 3hr 10min 38sec 3rd place, 1st female
    Total Time-------- -------- 9hr 26min 10sec 3rd place, 1st female

    Nany
    ----Challenge----- Teammate Time Place
    Raft Down River Johnny-- 44 min 53sec 2nd
    10K Run & Puzzle Zach---- 1hr 30min 2nd
    Trail Hike & Climb Bananas- 2hr 19min 14sec 1st
    25 Mile Bike Ride --Self-- 1hr 50min 5th place, 2nd female
    Climb Up Volcano --Self-- 3hr 10min 42sec 4th place, 2nd female
    Total Time-------- -------- 9hr 34min 49sec 4th place, 2nd female

    Zach
    ----Challenge----- Teammate Time Place
    Raft Down River Devyn-- 58 min 21sec 3rd
    10K Run & Puzzle Nany---- 1hr 30min 2nd
    Trail Hike & Climb Laurel-- 2hr 39min 36sec 2nd
    25 Mile Bike Ride --Self-- 1hr 50min 3rd place, 3rd male
    Climb Up Volcano --Self-- 3hr 10min 42sec 5th place, 3rd male
    Total Time-------- -------- 10hr 15min 57sec 4th place, 3rd male

    Devyn
    ----Challenge----- Teammate Time Place
    Raft Down River Zach---- 58 min 21sec 3rd
    10K Run & Puzzle Bananas- 1hr 34min 47sec 3rd
    Trail Hike & Climb Johnny-- 2hr 52min 45sec 3rd
    25 Mile Bike Ride --Self-- 2hr 43min 6th place, 3rd female
    Climb Up Volcano --Self-- 4hr 30min 6th place, 3rd female
    Total Time-------- -------- 12hr 38min 53sec 6th place, 3rd female

    Note: I know lots of folks think Devyn shouldn't have competed in the finale but she wasn't doing that badly in the first 3 challenges. If she and Zach hadn't flipped it would have been closer. But still she was in a competitive position time wise in those first 3 challenges. Where she lost two hours was taking the extra hour to finish the bike ride and the extra hour climbing the volcano, then she would have been closer to Zach's time.
    Last edited by Bearcata; 07-07-2014 at 10:26 PM.
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    Re: Challenge 25

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle David View Post
    You're right! They did complete the challenge where the other teams didn't. I didn't see a time for how much under the 30 minutes they were, but it doesn't matter. The fact is, when comparing the times of the two boys when they were paired with Devyn, Johnny ended up being penalized 23 minutes. More than the 17 minutes that separated them at the end.
    Bananas vs Johnny

    After # Challenges Name Time Name Time
    After 1 Challenges Bananas 40 min Johnny 44min 53sec
    After 2 Challenges Bananas 2hr 14min 47sec Johnny 2hr 7min 47sec
    After 3 Challenges Bananas 4hr 34min 1sec Johnny 5hr 0min 39sec
    After 4 Challenges Bananas 5hr 35min 1sec Johnny 6hr 23min 39sec
    After 5 Challenges Bananas 8hr 11min 1sec Johnny 8hr 28min 32sec

    Bananas was partnered with Devyn on Challenge 2 and still is ahead on time vs Johnny.
    Johnny actually made up time during Challenge 3 when he was partnered with Devyn.
    Bananas really pulled away by finishing Challenge 4 in 1hr 1min; 22 minutes faster than Johnny giving Bananas about a 60minute lead at this point.So even with Johnny beating Bananas up the volcano by 32 minutes it was not enough.

    Note:I think I messed up the math a tad between the 4th and 5th challenges for Johnny but at this point it is a mute point.
    Last edited by Bearcata; 07-07-2014 at 11:06 PM.
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    Re: Challenge 25

    Quote Originally Posted by Bearcata View Post
    Note: I know lots of folks think Devyn shouldn't have competed in the finale but she wasn't doing that badly in the first 3 challenges.
    Devyn came in last in all 6 of the finale competitions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bearcata View Post
    Bananas was partnered with Devyn on Challenge 2 and still is ahead on time vs Johnny.
    Johnny actually made up time during Challenge 3 when he was partnered with Devyn.
    Bananas really pulled away by finishing Challenge 4 in 1hr 1min; 22 minutes faster than Johnny giving Bananas about a 60minute lead at this point.So even with Johnny beating Bananas up the volcano by 32 minutes it was not enough.

    Note:I think I messed up the math a tad between the 4th and 5th challenges for Johnny but at this point it is a mute point.
    All that matters are the competitions where Johnny and Bananas were forced to compete with Devyn, and how the other boy did with a different partner. It doesn't matter what happened in those competitions. Woulda, shoulda, coulda, has no bearing on the outcome. The results are what matter.

    Here are the head to head results...

    Bananas/Devyn - Countries - 1hr 34mins 47secs
    Bananas/Nany - Mountain Climb - 2hr 19mins 14 secs

    Johnny/Laurel - Countries - 1hr 23mins 54secs
    Johnny/Devin - Mountain Climb - 2hr 52mins 45secs

    Cumulative times for both men...

    Johnny 3 hrs 76mins 39secs
    Bananas 3 hrs 53mins 1sec

    Total Net time: Johnny -23mins 38secs
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    Re: Challenge 25

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle David View Post
    Devyn came in last in all 6 of the finale competitions!
    My point was that in the first three challenges Devyn's times were not that bad in comparison with the other girls. Yes, she was still 3rd in a field of three but it was not by an embarrassing amount. However after that her lack of conditioning or lack of drive showed by taking almost 3 hours to finish 25 miles on a stationary bike. I am sure the bikes were set to level 0 and it really shouldn't have taken more than 2 hours. At this point it is up to Devyn if she feels she need to work on her physical skills versus her political ones.
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    Re: Challenge 25

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle David View Post
    Devyn came in last in all 6 of the finale competitions!



    All that matters are the competitions where Johnny and Bananas were forced to compete with Devyn, and how the other boy did with a different partner. It doesn't matter what happened in those competitions. Woulda, shoulda, coulda, has no bearing on the outcome. The results are what matter.

    Here are the head to head results...

    Bananas/Devyn - Countries - 1hr 34mins 47secs
    Bananas/Nany - Mountain Climb - 2hr 19mins 14 secs

    Johnny/Laurel - Countries - 1hr 23mins 54secs
    Johnny/Devin - Mountain Climb - 2hr 52mins 45secs

    Cumulative times for both men...

    Johnny 3 hrs 76mins 39secs
    Bananas 3 hrs 53mins 1sec

    Total Net time: Johnny -23mins 38secs
    See Johnny had the opportunity to make up time in the bike race as he obviously has incredibly stamina as shown in the climb up the volcano. If Johnny had pushed himself to finish as fast as Bananas in the bike race that would have made up that 23 minutes. I give Bananas mucho credit for being a calculating SOB but he understood that he needed to push himself in the parts he could.

    You are basing the win lose of Bananas and Johnny strictly on their results when they were Devyn's partner. Well if you totally throw out those challenges and just look at the remaining results Bananas wins. Bananas had 3 first place finishes and 1 second place finish. Johnny had 2 first place finishes and 2 second place finishes. Bananas won because he was faster in more challenges than was Johnny.
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    Re: Challenge 25

    You keep trying to justify your position by creating woulda, shoulda, coulda, scenarios. However, looking at what actually happened, when you put the only times where Johnny and Bananas competed without any outside factors (25 mile bike ride and hike up the volcano) Johnny is faster than Bananas by 27 minutes. That says it all!

    The fact is, the season's over. Nothing can change the outcome. The season wast bad, but, with luck, next season will be better.
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    Re: Challenge 25

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle David View Post
    You keep trying to justify your position by creating woulda, shoulda, coulda, scenarios. However, looking at what actually happened, when you put the only times where Johnny and Bananas competed without any outside factors (25 mile bike ride and hike up the volcano) Johnny is faster than Bananas by 27 minutes. That says it all!

    The fact is, the season's over. Nothing can change the outcome. The season wast bad, but, with luck, next season will be better.
    First of all I am not creating woulda, shoulda, coulda snearios. I am not sure what you think I am saying. All I did was put down the times of each player for each leg and took a good look at them and wrote a couple of comments about Devyn not doing that terribly badly for the first 3 challenges. I was in favor of Bananas losing and I personally think it would have been a great outcome. I am obviously missing your point, what is your point, that Johnny should have won?

    I am also a bit confused:

    Bananas finished the bike race in 61minutes and did the volcano climb in 2hr 36minutes for a total of 3hr 37minutes.

    Johnny finished the bike race in 1hr 23 minutes and did the volcano climb in 2hr 4 minutes for a total of 3hr 27minutes.

    That is only a difference of 10 minutes.
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    Re: Challenge 25

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle David View Post
    Actually, no! When you compare the two comps where she was partnered with Johnny and Bananas she caused Johnny to have a 23 minute handicap going into the final challenge. It might have been more even, but the challenge in which Devyn was paired with Bananas had a time limit. (The country puzzle) This meant Bananas only had to deal with her physical challenges for a short period of time. Still, none of the finalists should have had their wagon tied to the fate of another finalist. This was the 'Free Agents' Challenge. They should have stayed true to that concept, and let the finalists compete only against their gender.
    Only the puzzle portion of the challenge had a time limit, the time of the rest of the 10K Run was up to how fast the team could run/walk.
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    Re: Challenge 25

    I was surprised that Johnny did so well this season, but Bananas was clearly the best challenger. It would have been nice to see somebody else besides Zach in the final(such as CT), since he was terrible.

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