Teen Mom Season 4

Okay, I lasted through 45 seconds of Farrah's song before I felt like my ears were beginning to bleed. I couldn't understand a word of the lyrics, the instrumentals were awful, and her voice...well, at least it proves that there are some things even autotune can't fix. Honestly, that makes "Friday" sound like it's Grammy-worthy.

But what I find most disturbing is that the song was released to coordinate with her book. A book? Seriously? Some publisher paid Farrah to write a book? Why? What could she possibly have to say that would warrant an entire book? I would have bet Farrah's never read an entire book, much less attempted to write one, even if they gave her a ghost-writer.

So I went to a concert/festival at Hershey Park this weekend, and who happened to be the "celebrity" of the weekend (I use that term VERY loosely, and i mean besides the acts that were performing)...GARY! Since I watch the show I recognized him immediately and as a people watcher I noticed several things. First, the girl that was with him (not sure if she is related or gf or what) could pass for a skinnier Amber. Second, he really thinks of himself as a celebrity. There was a VIP section that he was turned away from, until he sought out someone that worked with the fest to convince security to let him in the VIP. Third, it was crazy how many girls were fawning over him. Have they ever REALLY watched the show?!? I was in the stands and everytime he was near the screams of "Gary" were deafening. People taking their pic with him every few steps. it blew my mind! to be fair, I took a pic of him too, but not WITH him- I used the zoom on my camera lol Anyway, just thought I would share!

Why do people say that he is not a good father? I've always thought he did a decent job, considering what he has to work with....his young age, Leah's mental mother. What am I missing here?

Thanks Amykay for your celebrity sighting! Who was playing?

As far as Gary being a good father or not, this is my take on it. Initially, I sided with Gary, because of the way Amber abused him. She was WAAAAY off the charts and she picked fights with him IMO. Since then people say he pushes Amber's buttons to make her go off, but I don't agree with that. Plenty of times, Amber has lied and say Gary was mean to her or cussed her, when it was clear she was the one being mean and cussing him out.

However, what I fault Gary for is that for so long he was under the spell of Amber and addicted to her craziness. He put his own desires to be with Amber, even though Amber is dangerous and unhealthy for Leah, above the best interest of Leah. If CPS had not insisted that GAry and Amber not be together around Leah, then that child would have been exposed to even MORE violence by Amber on Gary and Gary would not have put a stop to it. IMO, when Amber refused to REALLY change, stop the madness and drugs, then he should have done more to protect Leah. All this talk of how he wants her back is just too crazy. She is dangerous for Leah and Gary should know that, without a court order.

Gary has some hangup that he likes a woman to abuse him. Now that Amber is gone, he is likely to find another woman who is very similar to Amber. I hope I'm wrong.

Oh, Gary seems too content to lay back as he sits. It makes him look like he just doesn't care.

Girls cant actually want to be with Gary. Maybe they think its funny because hes such a disgusting slob of a person.

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Originally Posted by prhoshay

Why do people say that he is not a good father? I've always thought he did a decent job, considering what he has to work with....his young age, Leah's mental mother. What am I missing here?

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I follow Gary on twitter because hes such a delusional moron. His tweets are filled with some of the dumbest things and contain tons of spelling/gramatical errors. He really has this warped sense that he is famous which is one of the reasons Im excited this show is ending. Anyways, following him you see he is 1) always up all hours of the night and doesnt seem to get up until the afternoon 2) see he is always away for weekends. Those two things lead me to believe that Leah is at his mothers house all the time. If she is home with him and hes staying up all night and sleeping in, hes being a terrible parent. If hes going away every weekend and leaving her with his mother, hes a terrible parent. Just because the 5% of her life you see on the show he has her, doesnt mean hes doing good. Most of the time you see him on the show, shes with his mother.
Once this show is over and Gary has to go back to actually making money, its going to be lots of fun to watch. It doesnt seem like either of them did any kind of saving.

A couple of observations about Daniel and Farrah...yes she treated his family badly and was trying to rush things. BUT...he should have at least taken her back to her hotel and at least called, texted, something that he did not want to see her any more. He invited her there and should have seen that she got back to her hotel safely and to the airport. Common decency is all it takes when dumping someone.

It's now official. Maci and Ryan are dumb as dirt. First, Kyle tries to explain to Maci to arrange with Ryan first, before Bentley is involved, but NOOOO, she does it her way, that is almost destined to cause Bentley distress and confusion. Then, Ryan's dad begs him to not got pick up Bentley and make the thing an issue, but NOOOOO, he has to get into it with Maci while Bentley listens in the truck. "Thanks mom and dad for ruining my birthday again. You may not know much, but you sure know how to do that."

I hope Gary was lying when he promised to allow Leah to stay with Amber after CPS gets off their backs. He's living in a dream world if he thinks Amber is safe. If Leah ever disagrees with her mom, look out.

It was so pathetic that poor Tyler and Catelynn don't understand why Carly's parents would not want their moms to meet Carly. Please. Their is only liability there. I don't see anything they could contribute to Carly. Tyler's mom used to seem okay, but the other week when she put Tyler on a guilt trip to support his dad in court, I knew she is clueless. I would keep Carly clear of all of them, except Tyler and Caitlynn. If Carly reaches age 18 and wants to meet them, that would be her decision.

I laughed so hard when Farrah told her mom how Daniel acted at the party and Debra says, "He needs anger management." LOL Enough said.

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Originally Posted by captain

A couple of observations about Daniel and Farrah...yes she treated his family badly and was trying to rush things. BUT...he should have at least taken her back to her hotel and at least called, texted, something that he did not want to see her any more. He invited her there and should have seen that she got back to her hotel safely and to the airport. Common decency is all it takes when dumping someone.

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There is an article where Daniel tells his side of the story. In that story he said he and Farrah go to a fast food place for dinner and Farrah degrades some innocent worker at the place. She also did it to two of Daniels friends. He said they then had a brief argument where he broke up with her and told her he wasnt going back to Florida with her. He said he sent her back to the hotel with one of her friends escorting her and that was it.

I dont know anything about Daniel but Farrah has shown to have a very skewed version of the truth for everything so I dont believe he just ditched her for no reason. I would have ran when she was pulling that crap with the ring.

Morning Giggity! Could you possibly post the link to the article? Thanks in advance if you can, if not, np!

Haven't viewed last night's epi, but hopefully will catch up soon.

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Originally Posted by Giggity22

There is an article where Daniel tells his side of the story. In that story he said he and Farrah go to a fast food place for dinner and Farrah degrades some innocent worker at the place. She also did it to two of Daniels friends. He said they then had a brief argument where he broke up with her and told her he wasnt going back to Florida with her. He said he sent her back to the hotel with one of her friends escorting her and that was it.

I dont know anything about Daniel but Farrah has shown to have a very skewed version of the truth for everything so I dont believe he just ditched her for no reason. I would have ran when she was pulling that crap with the ring.

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I can't imagine any situation where I would believe Farrah over someone else. Unless it was Amber or Maci. LOL I saw enough of her conduct to last me a lifetime. Daniel gets a pass in my book. Considering how she is, I would not want to be on her bad side and have her angry at me for fear she might falsely accuse me of something.