The Trials and Tribulations of Anna Nicole Smith - Page 15

Lois Lane · 02-12-2007, 01:50 PM

I wonder if the TrimSpa pills she took contributed to her death. Wouldn't be the first time diet pills killed people.

I was never a huge ANS fan and thought that a lot of the trauma/drama she lived through was brought on by herself to a large extent. BUT, I think she was a good mom to Daniel and he seemed to be a nice, decent kid. I think she was used by a lot of people who were afraid to say "no" to her as long as they got their share of the pie. And I have no doubt that all these paternity claims on the baby have to do with the money the child with inherit one day rather than actual love.

Personally, I think she died from years of not taking care of herself (drinking/drugs, yo-yo dieting and dieting pills) and extreme grief. I have no idea if she suffered any post-partum depression after giving birth last year, but the death of her son surely would send any parent over the edge. Couple that with paternity suits and lawsuits filed against her and Trimspa--that's a lot of pressure for anyone to handle, much less someone who's emotionally fragile.

I hope she is reunited with Daniel and that the vultures leave the baby be.

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Amy Lee · 02-12-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by prhoshay

Was Howard K. ever anywhere in the picture before ANS came into so much money?

And, as far as Howard K. harming that baby, he won't hurt the "golden goose". He's unscrupulous...not stupid.

And, if Howard K is sooo upstanding, loving, forthright, etc...why has he not stepped forward to have DNA prove that he is Dannielynn's father? He has nothing to worry about, right? Yeah...OK...

I'll take it a step further. He likely studied the laws of where they live now and convinced her that they should live there for the while and for the child to be born there as well. Why do think this? because their faux ceremony is actually valid there, just not here. Therefore that would immediately make him the child's father, without proof or not. Having signed the birth certificate or not. It would be in his best interest to stay there with the child as to not be challenged by the laws in the US. Or at the very least, continue delaying the inevitable.
What i think he did to gain her trust was tell her, "I promise I'll get you your money". Like she's going to say no to that. Other then that, i think he's creepy and find him unethical for getting involved with a client, be it his only client or not.
I'm also not surprised that she had something to do with prince attention-wh*re. He apparently has a lot of money and this woman as has been proven will go through anything to have money.

eta: I noticed that the wife of Trimspa ceo is parading herself as Anna's Best Friend. Please! This is all just to protect the company, she doesn't care one way about the woman.

Lois: They showed the contents of the fridgerator and shows cans of slimfast and a box of Trimspa drinks or pills, im not sure.

skynet5000 · 02-12-2007, 03:01 PM

This is some of what I have seen on TV or read about Anna Nicole Smith:

1) Several witnesses claim that she verbally abused, ignored and/or manipulated billionaire husband J. Howard Marshall who she married at 89 years old. Witnesses stated that she would often treat him badly when she asked him for money and didn't get as much as she wanted. Anna spent years of her life fighting in court for Marshall's inheritance claiming she deserved the money because she truly loved him.

2) The original jury that decided on her financial settlement after the death of J. Howard Marshall disliked her spoiled and entitled behavior so much that they ignored state guidelines and awarded her no money.

3) She refused to give even one dime to her sister while she was dying from cancer. Yes, they were estranged and her sister probably isn't a role model. But, we are talking about the potential death of a sibling from cancer.

4) There are witnesses that claim she went to the Bahamas and established residence because she knew they had strict laws about paternity that would keep Larry Birkhead (who had very limited financial resources) from claiming paternity. All the while she tried to get someone else to establish paternity --- someone who was financially well off and who had been told by Anna that Larry Birkhead was the father. Anna ended the friendship when that person refused to claim paternity.

5) There are long stretches of her life where she was clearly abusing drugs.

6) Anna's mother stated Anna never wanted others to have more than her the day after her death as well as other negative comments about her daughter. Yes, she may also have financial motives, but where are the family members that speak well of her? Should we believe that every family member is bad, but Anna is the one with the good heart?

Yes, some of this is unsubstantiated and some of these people have financial motives (as if Anna doesn't). Yes, some of this may even be entirely untrue. But, I don't think you can dig up this much dirt on a good-hearted person unsubstantiated or not. And, where is all the evidence that she was good person (other than things she may have done for positive publicity)? The only good things about her IMHO is that I truly believe she really did love her son and she did a modest amount of charity work.

Broadway · 02-12-2007, 03:21 PM

Where does the debate over whether ANS was a good person come into play?

skynet5000 · 02-12-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Broadway

Where does the debate over whether ANS was a good person come into play?

I didn't see any debate on this. The vast majority of the posts on this thread are very "pro Anna" in one form or another. I didn't want to direct this post at anyone else's post (since everyone is entitled to their opinion) so I didn't include statements from previous threads.

Broadway · 02-12-2007, 03:41 PM

It's okay, skynet, and no one said anyone was not entitled to their own opinion.... it just seems that a post slamming Anna came out of left field and it reads as if in response to something, that's all.

skynet5000 · 02-12-2007, 03:46 PM

No problem Broadway. I just waited a few days to post my comments about Anna.

jasmar · 02-12-2007, 04:06 PM

Skynet, I've been thinking kind of along the same lines. But I didn't want to come right out with it. I feel terribly for the woman. The fact that her life was tragic is without question. But it was a tragedy of her own making, to a large extent. And it has seemed as though many are caught up in the tragedy without examining the roots of it.

As far as I can tell, everyone involved is/has been completely screwed up… except for that poor baby. I don't see Anna as a victim, though.

I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if you hadn't made your post. And I still have mixed feelings because honestly, does it matter at this point?

Muduh · 02-12-2007, 04:53 PM

I always felt sympathy for Anna. She seemed like a pretty kind hearted airhead. I may be the only one here who doesn't think that her family members are as evil as they are portrayed. If she lived with her mother, or if her mother cared for Daniel until Daniel was nine years old, then that means that for most of her life, until ten or so years ago, she was close enough to them to share their roof. I saw an interview last night where she was so angry that she was talking through clinched teeth about how evil her mother was.Tthat sort of hatred is pretty powerful stuff. Something really spectacular must have happened to cause that much animosity and especially bad, for her to refuse her sister any help when she was in a health crisis. So what I'm saying is that I now have a different opinion of Anna Nicole Smith. I believe that she was a very self centered woman who did what she pleased, when she pleased and the rest of the world be damned. That doesn't mean I'm not sorry that she lost her life but I agree that her situation was of her own making, with a little help from her attorney/boyfriend/ and other names for him that I think, but won't voice.

angelic_one2002 · 02-12-2007, 05:32 PM

I feel badly for Anna's little daughter.

To never remember or know her mother is really sad. I thought all along when her ex-boyfriend (Larry Birkhead) was interviewed on tv, there was a slight resemblance between he and that little baby girl. Larry's features are more delicate, like hers. I wouldn't be too surprised if he is her dad.

02-12-2007, 03:01 PM	#143
skynet5000 FORT lover Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 175	This is some of what I have seen on TV or read about Anna Nicole Smith: 1) Several witnesses claim that she verbally abused, ignored and/or manipulated billionaire husband J. Howard Marshall who she married at 89 years old. Witnesses stated that she would often treat him badly when she asked him for money and didn't get as much as she wanted. Anna spent years of her life fighting in court for Marshall's inheritance claiming she deserved the money because she truly loved him. 2) The original jury that decided on her financial settlement after the death of J. Howard Marshall disliked her spoiled and entitled behavior so much that they ignored state guidelines and awarded her no money. 3) She refused to give even one dime to her sister while she was dying from cancer. Yes, they were estranged and her sister probably isn't a role model. But, we are talking about the potential death of a sibling from cancer. 4) There are witnesses that claim she went to the Bahamas and established residence because she knew they had strict laws about paternity that would keep Larry Birkhead (who had very limited financial resources) from claiming paternity. All the while she tried to get someone else to establish paternity --- someone who was financially well off and who had been told by Anna that Larry Birkhead was the father. Anna ended the friendship when that person refused to claim paternity. 5) There are long stretches of her life where she was clearly abusing drugs. 6) Anna's mother stated Anna never wanted others to have more than her the day after her death as well as other negative comments about her daughter. Yes, she may also have financial motives, but where are the family members that speak well of her? Should we believe that every family member is bad, but Anna is the one with the good heart? Yes, some of this is unsubstantiated and some of these people have financial motives (as if Anna doesn't). Yes, some of this may even be entirely untrue. But, I don't think you can dig up this much dirt on a good-hearted person unsubstantiated or not. And, where is all the evidence that she was good person (other than things she may have done for positive publicity)? The only good things about her IMHO is that I truly believe she really did love her son and she did a modest amount of charity work. Last edited by skynet5000; 02-12-2007 at 03:06 PM.

02-12-2007, 03:21 PM	#144
Broadway One in every crowd.. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 18,485	Where does the debate over whether ANS was a good person come into play? __________________ My body is like a rum chocolate souffle. If I don't warm it up right, it doesn't rise.

02-12-2007, 03:41 PM	#146
Broadway One in every crowd.. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 18,485	It's okay, skynet, and no one said anyone was not entitled to their own opinion.... it just seems that a post slamming Anna came out of left field and it reads as if in response to something, that's all. __________________ My body is like a rum chocolate souffle. If I don't warm it up right, it doesn't rise.

02-12-2007, 04:06 PM	#148
jasmar Big Electric Cat Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,802	Skynet, I've been thinking kind of along the same lines. But I didn't want to come right out with it. I feel terribly for the woman. The fact that her life was tragic is without question. But it was a tragedy of her own making, to a large extent. And it has seemed as though many are caught up in the tragedy without examining the roots of it. As far as I can tell, everyone involved is/has been completely screwed up… except for that poor baby. I don't see Anna as a victim, though. I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if you hadn't made your post. And I still have mixed feelings because honestly, does it matter at this point? __________________ Token Christian. If truth is relative, how do you know?

02-12-2007, 05:32 PM	#150
angelic_one2002 Nov. 26 Turkey Day Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 7,342	I feel badly for Anna's little daughter. To never remember or know her mother is really sad. I thought all along when her ex-boyfriend (Larry Birkhead) was interviewed on tv, there was a slight resemblance between he and that little baby girl. Larry's features are more delicate, like hers. I wouldn't be too surprised if he is her dad. __________________ "The only love worthy of a name is unconditional." ~ John Powell Last edited by angelic_one2002; 02-12-2007 at 05:37 PM.

02-12-2007, 01:50 PM	#141
Lois Lane On a cupcake mission! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Right behind you Posts: 5,063	I wonder if the TrimSpa pills she took contributed to her death. Wouldn't be the first time diet pills killed people. I was never a huge ANS fan and thought that a lot of the trauma/drama she lived through was brought on by herself to a large extent. BUT, I think she was a good mom to Daniel and he seemed to be a nice, decent kid. I think she was used by a lot of people who were afraid to say "no" to her as long as they got their share of the pie. And I have no doubt that all these paternity claims on the baby have to do with the money the child with inherit one day rather than actual love. Personally, I think she died from years of not taking care of herself (drinking/drugs, yo-yo dieting and dieting pills) and extreme grief. I have no idea if she suffered any post-partum depression after giving birth last year, but the death of her son surely would send any parent over the edge. Couple that with paternity suits and lawsuits filed against her and Trimspa--that's a lot of pressure for anyone to handle, much less someone who's emotionally fragile. I hope she is reunited with Daniel and that the vultures leave the baby be.

02-12-2007, 03:46 PM	#147
skynet5000 FORT lover Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 175	No problem Broadway. I just waited a few days to post my comments about Anna.

02-12-2007, 04:53 PM	#149
Muduh FORT Fogey Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tennessee Posts: 7,303	I always felt sympathy for Anna. She seemed like a pretty kind hearted airhead. I may be the only one here who doesn't think that her family members are as evil as they are portrayed. If she lived with her mother, or if her mother cared for Daniel until Daniel was nine years old, then that means that for most of her life, until ten or so years ago, she was close enough to them to share their roof. I saw an interview last night where she was so angry that she was talking through clinched teeth about how evil her mother was.Tthat sort of hatred is pretty powerful stuff. Something really spectacular must have happened to cause that much animosity and especially bad, for her to refuse her sister any help when she was in a health crisis. So what I'm saying is that I now have a different opinion of Anna Nicole Smith. I believe that she was a very self centered woman who did what she pleased, when she pleased and the rest of the world be damned. That doesn't mean I'm not sorry that she lost her life but I agree that her situation was of her own making, with a little help from her attorney/boyfriend/ and other names for him that I think, but won't voice.