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    Quote Originally Posted by smittyboise1;3108068;
    I'm almost at the point I don't want to watch...everyone I think is funny....they never pick....I thought Dan Cummins was pretty funny...and not many liked Pete Lee but I thought he was pretty funny......at least my fav for the show made it...Louis Ramey!!!!!!!
    Could not agree more - especially with the beginning. And we are not the only ones - everyone I talk to agrees. The funniest are being left behind for some NBC agenda! Ridiculous!

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    I know that I'm somewhat alone on this board in liking God's Pottery...but, like Belz & Steve, I've seen more of them in action than most of you...so, I'd already liked them before seeing them on this show. It's hard to put that aside--which is one of a million reasons why judging stand-up comedy is difficult.
    I actually thought that GP were pretty good, but that this probably is not the best format to showcase their act, at least what I have seen so far. It remains to be seen how they deal with the incredibly silly challenges the apparently comically impaired producers of this show put the finalists through.
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    So, so happy the Sean Cullen made it through. I've loved him since Corky & the Juice Pigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LJB1123;3108755;
    Could not agree more - especially with the beginning. And we are not the only ones - everyone I talk to agrees. The funniest are being left behind for some NBC agenda! Ridiculous!
    LOL....I often wonder what there agenda is.....cause I'm not sure what type of audience they want to appeal to......I just hope the next few episodes get a lot funnier when they start going head to head!!!!!

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    Who you want on the show versus who should be on the show.

    I think everyone who is still lingering around in this forum knows where I'm coming from with this show--I'm neither naive to the machinations of reality tv nor am I so bitter as to make this show seem more important than it is...

    While I watch this show, I'm just like you, though...I'm a viewer. Granted, I'm a viewer with perhaps a different perspective--in that I'm a professional stand-up comedian, some of the people you're watching are either friends or peers, and that I've actually put myself into the meatgrinder that is the LCS audition process and seen what it's like from the inside--but I'm still a viewer, partial to my own tastes in comedy and performance.

    I can't argue with someone about personal taste. As much as we FORTskateers may try on the various forums offered to us here, we can't argue someone into changing their minds about who they like or why they like them...and that's certainly true when you're discussing comedy.

    There's no conspiracy by NBC to "pick the least funny." The agenda is to pick the people who the producers feel will engage the general public and will keep people tuning in from week to week to see if they survive. That's the goal of any competitive reality television show product--Last Comic Standing is no different. Every show tends to pick photogenic people--as it's been proven that more people will watch shows with attractive people in it. Every show tends to pick polarizing people--as it's been proven that more people will watch shows where people fight with each other during it. Every show wants to include "water-cooler" types--as these types will help drive word of mouth...the buzz...that every reality show needs to be deserving of the advertiser's dollars which allow the show to air.

    And yes, I think that even though the results don't always fit my tastes and opinions, I do honestly think that there IS an attempt by the producers to put people who ARE, in fact, genuinely funny on the show...and, at the same time, there will always be (defined by any person's individual taste) those people who are funny who don't make the show...and there may be for any number of reasons, not the least of which might be "it didn't seem like they did as well as other people did on that one show on that one night in front of that one audience."

    I KNOW this to be true, because I happen to personally know people from EVERY SEASON of Last Comic Standing who are truly funny.

    ...well, to me, at least.

    So, once again that brings us to this year.

    Based merely on the auditions, they COULD have had a Last Comic Standing final twelve that included: Jackie Kashian, Dwight Slade, Robert Hawkins, Phil Palisoul, Rory Scovel, Myq Kaplan, Sabrina Matthews, Dan Naturman, Whitney Cummings, Andy Haynes, Mary Van Note and Peter Greyy (which, to MY tastes, would have been an INCREDIBLY funny show...)...but they didn't.

    I could spit out a dozen or more dream casts of final 12s they COULD have chosen--but the process they've chosen has given us these twelve (ok, thirteen) performers:

    Sean Cullen
    Jeff Dye
    Paul Foot
    God's Pottery
    Adam Hunter
    Esther Ku
    Marcus
    Papa CJ
    Louis Ramey
    Ron G
    Iliza Schlesinger
    Jim Tavare


    ...and I've been around the block, when it comes to reality television shows, quite a few times--and I know that for every performer that you're absolutely certain should NOT be in that list...there's a person out there who is convinced that that performer is the best thing on the show.

    That's when producers know they've done a good job--when you love a particular performer as much as someone else hates that same performer, and vice versa. If you agree with every choice...there's no drama, no passion, no reason to keep watching "Hey, they're all good...it doesn't matter to me who actually wins...and if I don't watch every week, it's no big deal." NO--in their mind, they KNOW that they need to make you say "I've GOT to set my TiVo because if THAT GUY makes it this week, I'm going to scream...(or type out long posts on message boards devoted to the show...)--and I've GOT to watch to make certain what I want to happen actually happens!!!"

    Every successful reality show has thrived on questionable casting choices...and it's an art in figuring out when you've got a good mix of characters, and not just a bunch of whiny unlikeable types (although, we all know that some shows that have NOTHING but whiny, unlikeable types on it that have still been successful.) The art is...you never really know who the audience will gravitate to, who they will seethe against...who gets rooted for because they're the underdog and who gets screamed about because they don't belong there...

    So, we know it's unfair...we know that it's nearly impossible to pick based on some undefinable objective criteria of "funny"...and we know that no matter who they pick or why they pick them, there'll be people who can't imagine how/why those people got picked instead of all of the other people they could have picked...

    It comes with the territory.

    The picking's done now, though. We've got a cast of twelve (ok, thirteen)--and now, the show goes into an all NEW way of making me angry and frustrating the viewers...with the "challenges"...and the head-to-head-to-head competitions, to whittle it down by a few people...until it's time for America to decide who they like. (Sure, they say "who they think is funnier," but again...let's not be so naive to think that people ACTUALLY commit the time to vote multiple times based on an objective dissection of who was demonstrably funnier.

    ...and if that doesn't appeal to you, then you...like millions of other Americans...aren't going to watch. And maybe this is the LAST Last Comic Standing that we'll ever determine.

    All I know is that I've got some friends who made it all the way through this insane process and are now more famous than any one ever expected them to be...and that, to me, is reason enough to tune in once a week to bear witness to this continuing madness...

    Well aware, of course, that for all of my liking the people I like...there are countless others watching who can't STAND the people I like...and can't imagine how they could have made it this far...

    And that, my friends...is comedy.

    pg--Luckily, with a two drink minimum, even the people who hate you are likely to laugh at you...which makes my job possible.--seattle

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    pg said, all I know is that I've got some friends who made it all the way through this insane process and are now more famous than any one ever expected them to be...and that, to me, is reason enough to tune in once a week to bear witness to this continuing madness...
    Who do you know from previous seasons?

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    aargh! Every season, a hysterically funny woman gets left behind in the semifinals. First Sabrina Bryan, now Jackie Kashian.

    Producers, you would have gotten another voter voting on your show those two seasons. Boo! Hissssssssssss!

    To a smaller degree, I really enjoyed the Australian (or British?) woman in last year's auditions (we've mentioned her here on the board before, but I can't remember her name). I would have voted for these gals! Granted, there have been a number of male contestants (not that I judge based on gender) that I'd have liked to see move on that didn't...

    Somehow, I think that this show likes to cast female comics who have a certain schtick (Ethnic, single/married, hot/not) that their routines consistently are all about. Whereas they seem to be more likely to pick a more well-rounded male comedian that can come out with any type of set on any given night. PG, am I nuts????

    Did the gentleman of Middle-East descent, but I think he lived in London(?) make it? He had previously auditioned, and had a really good set this time out? Did he even make the semis? I cannot remember his name, and I didn't see this week's show, so...

    I guess we RemnantsTM still have a lot of unanswered questions. As per usual, with this show. ugh.

    Very happy to see that Marcus, Jeff Dye and Louis Ramey are all on the show, and from the look of the rest of the competition list, will remain my favorites until the end. But, if the post above is any indication of what happens to my favorites, that does not bode well. Thankfully, they seem to be favorites overall.
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    oh, crud... for such a "big fan" I "big-goofed" on her name... Sabrina Matthews, the awesome comic, not Sabrina Bryan, the Cheetah Girl...
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeronicaBelle27;3117268;
    I really enjoyed the Australian (or British?) woman in last year's auditions (we've mentioned her here on the board before, but I can't remember her name).
    Fiona O'Loughlin.

    I really enjoyed her, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by VeronicaBelle27;3117268;
    Somehow, I think that this show likes to cast female comics who have a certain schtick (Ethnic, single/married, hot/not) that their routines consistently are all about. Whereas they seem to be more likely to pick a more well-rounded male comedian that can come out with any type of set on any given night. PG, am I nuts????
    You may or may not be nuts--I'm not a doctor, after all...

    If you're asking me if your sense of how things happen is accurate...to some degree, you are... The producers of this show DO like to cast female comics who have a certain schtick...but they also like to cast MALE comics who have a certain schtick...AND most comics, of every gender (and every gender in between) have a certain schtick.

    It's simple marketing--the specialist beats the generalist... The public gravitates towards those with clearly defined personas: think Larry the Cable Guy, think Carrot Top, think Carlos Mencia, think Lewis Black, think Dane Cook, think Dave Chappelle. Compare their popularity to someone like Brian Regan--who might be the best pure "comedian" working today--who hasn't really put out a clearly defined character out to the public.

    Certainly, those who cast reality shows do so with an idea of filling certain character types... Well, lucky for the producers of Last Comic Standing, comedians tend to have already spent their own time and talent defining (for the short times that they are put in front of an audience) their easily projected character types. If you can't distill your comedic approach in an easily digested marketable phrase, a lot of comedy management types will think of a comedian as either "unfocused"...or not having found their "voice" yet.

    (And yes, "finding your voice" is a VERY important step in the progress of a comedian...but that phrase sometimes gets confused with a comedian's marketing approach.)

    Now, all that said, there's the Pandora's Box of discussing the state of female comedians within the comedy industry. There aren't as many women doing comedy as men--is that because women aren't given the same chances that men get, is that because fewer women grow up wanting to be comics (and is that because fewer women have done comedy to inspire them), is that because it seems that all too often female comedians tend to follow very specific archetypes (and are those archetypes successful because that's what works best with audiences)...etc. etc.

    Not being a female comedian myself, I'd rather not open that Box. I certainly know female comedians who aren't trapped in that box at all--and better that they lead by example...instead of me trying to describe the situation from where I stand, on the outside.

    (Not like that's ever stopped me before--so, if you want to keep talking about this...I'll open that Box and tell you what I see.)

    Quote Originally Posted by VeronicaBelle27;3117268;
    Did the gentleman of Middle-East descent, but I think he lived in London(?) make it? He had previously auditioned, and had a really good set this time out? Did he even make the semis? I cannot remember his name, and I didn't see this week's show, so...
    Papa CJ.

    He made the 12 (actually 13, thanks God's Pottery) who are still on the show and now move into the house.


    pg--I would have wanted to see both Jackie Kashian and Sabrina Matthews too.--seattle


    PS--To Shoepie. Who do I know from previous seasons? ::deep breath:: Only since you've asked...

    Season One: I'm friends with Cory Kahaney--we've worked together, we've hung out together, she's bought me lunch, she's met my girlfriend and we still talk from time to time on line. I'm friends with Dave Mordal--we've worked together, I've driven him places and we trade MySpace messages every so often, usually when I'm about to come near his neck of the woods. I've met and worked with Dat Phan. I've met Rich Vos. I've met Sean Kent. And while I don't know Ralphie May, I've traded FORT messages with him and I'm friends with his favorite opening act (Yes, Ralphie May fans, I'm friends with "Billy Wayne.")

    Season Two: I've met and worked with John Heffron. I've met and worked with Tammy Pescatelli. I've met Bonnie McFarland. I've exchanged emails with Kathleen Madigan.

    Season Four: I know Ty Barnett pretty well, as he's a Seattle-based performer--we've worked together many times at various different clubs (I can even say that Ty has opened for me...but that was a fluke of booking--he's definitely one of the strongest comedians I've ever seen.) I've worked with Rebecca Corry. I don't know Kristen Key personally, but her manager is often my boss (both as a comedian and in my role helping to produce the Seattle International Comedy Competition.) I've also met the Last Comic Downloaded from this season, Theo Von and I've worked with the runner-up, Josh Wolf.

    Season Five: I'm friends with Doug Benson--we've worked together and we've exchanged messages on an industry specific message board. I also participated on a different industry specific message board with Dante, but I don't think we ever directly corresponded.

    Season Six: I'm friends with Jeff Dye--we've worked together (including co-headlining a show not too long before his time on LCS began) and we hung out the last time he was in town. I'm friends with Marcus--we've worked together, I not only watched every show he was in when he won the Seattle International Comedy Competition but we rode together to most of them (and, as a matter of fact, we'll be watching this Thursday's episode together as Marcus is performing in Seattle this weekend.) I've exchanged some MySpace messages with God's Pottery.

    ...and I also met some of the production staff while auditioning for this this year's show... Plus, I got to meet Bill Bellamy, and I talked with both Josh Gomez and French Stewart after the night showcase...

    ...the list of people that I know who either made the semi-finals or were shown auditioning for this show would bust the FORT servers, I'm afraid. (Waving to Joe DeVito!)

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    Thanks, pg13.

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