Originally Posted by pg13
Not that I feel I need to defend my post, and maybe the use of the word "hate" was strong in this case, just from skimming over the posts in the thread, there was a general theme - many thought Michele's act was weak. And that's where I ended up getting a feeling of dislike towards her. I couldn't care less if you feel that I misused the word, or that I'm falsely putting words in people's mouths, that's just the impression I got at first glance.
Secondly, I did feel that Chris had a funnier act that Michele. However, in terms on consistency over the entire season, I've found Michele made me laugh more than Chris did. That is where I am basing my vote. I feel offended that you said that I'm voting for who I like over who I think is funny. That's an insult to my intelligence. Although I do like Michele, to me she is the funniest. In the end, being the funniest and liking that person because they are funny are in essence the same thing. In my definition of "who is the funniest", I feel consistency is a far bigger factor than one act, or one joke, or one punch line. In the end, Michele has done it for me in terms of making me laugh. She succeeded. And for you to even hint at the fact that it makes my votes any less valid because I'm still voting for her even though I feel that suddenly one act was slightly funnier than her's one week is insulting.
Thirdly, in terms of Josh, I don't think I need to comment.
My argument, JJ, isn't so much with you...and I do apologize if you feel like I insulted your intelligence--as that was not my intention at all...but with how this show is being marketed, sold, programmed and promoted...
You've made your decision. Based on what you've seen on the show, your opinion is that Michelle is the funniest. You've voted for Michelle as the funniest.
But, until they got to the final five...your opinion of Michelle has been based on what clips the editors of the show felt you should see...and remember that this season was incredibly truncated compared to previous years. What you see as consistency is a product of that editing--as well as the simple fact that you've SEEN Michelle more than the others because this year's weird multi-person head-to-head (-to head and even -to head) had her on television performing more than the others.
This show CANNOT answer the question "Who is the funniest?" because it is a contaminated competition...and my take on the matter is that it is rather insane to make this tv show SEEM like it means more than it does...or to invest all that much emotion into the results.
It doesn't tell us who is the funniest...it simply gives us a reason to stare at a glass screen with colored lights flashing on it for 44 minutes on a Tuesday night and absorb the 16 minutes of commercials and announcements that it exists to present us with.
You've made your decision...and it sounds like that it doesn't matter who has a better set on any given night--you're going to vote for who you like...so, why is NBC bothering to drag this show out for two more weeks?
It's those 16 minutes of advertising...and it certainly has nothing to do with finding the funniest person...
PS--I don't know how you read me say "Your criticisms are valid...as are your opinions about whose comedy you enjoy and whose comedy you're not a fan of..." and became insulted because I would "even hint at the fact that it makes (your) votes any less valid."
I think I was very clear that I was taking your comments as a springboard for discussion and that I gave you respect for your opinions. Discussion and even disagreement is not tantamount to being insulting.
Of course, you can disagree with that...and I can respect that...although, semantically, that puts us in a very weird space... :)
I didn't notice this until JJ quoted it, but it looks like part of a line got truncated from my previous post...
What it MEANT to read (and I thought it was how I sent it to be posted) was...
Originally Posted by pg13
...and that, my friends, is why these last episodes are just drawing out the inevitable...that these performances really aren't going to change people's minds about what they already believe. Because America doesn't really vote for who they think is the funniest...they vote for who they like.
Nothing wrong with that...
And I SHOULD have added "Because America doesn't really vote for who they think is the funniest ON THAT GIVEN NIGHT..."
Perhaps that would have made my original statement more clear.
I don't think Michelle is hated at all, I skimmed past the posts and only one person aired a strong negitive comment, most other people while noting she wasn't as funny as...either picked out a funny comment of hers or noted they thought she was funnier in previous shows.
I do have a problem with the show that it does come down to favourites rather then who is really funnier, because that is so subjective. In music you can discuss pitch, tone, strength of voice, in comedy you can look at material and pacing but really what I find screamingly funny will leave someone of another gender, another age, from another region or another race wondering what is so amusing about the comment. It's a flaw in the show, not a flaw within the person doing the voting.
I love stand up comedy, I watch the show to see the comedians. Shoot, I would enjoy a show just spotlighting different acts and ignoring the voting (oh wait, I already ignore the voting)
Anytime outsiders get to choose, the result will be based as much on popularity as competence. This is true for LCS, So You Think You Can Dance, and President of the US. The phrases "seems nice", "works hard", "has had a tough time getting to where s/he is" factor into the choices more often than not.
Ty is definitely the most polished performer and could step right in and do a comedy special. I think Josh would struggle to come up with 30 minutes of material.
Originally Posted by adamperk
PG - your analyses are cool to read.
I like everyone who is left -but I do think it is time for Michelle to go. She comes up with something really clever sometimes - often through timing - but her observations are as old as the short girl's Olestra chips joke. Michelle seems to take a joke that has been around for a while and add one new observation to it that saves it - but doesn't make her stand out.
I love Josh. Love him. I don't see how he could possibly not center his routine on his CP. Comedians seem to be skilled at communicating in a clever and unexpected way their observances of the world. Josh is treated by everyone he comes in contact with as a disable person - so his perceptions and experiences are colored through that perspective. I think he is hilarious, and I'm totally rooting for him.
Chris is undeniably funny, but I agree with the poster who made a comment about his occassional descent into the creepy place. I like him when he's being the nerdy/stoner/slacker guy - not the pervy guy.
Ty was the only one who made me crack up loudly while I watched this episode by myself. I thought he was brilliant this week.
Roz seemed like a much nicer person in her exit interview and clips than she has on the show. I was really ready for her to go. I wonder now if she was playing a character - her onscreen persona - throughout the show and if that chilled me toward her.
I don't like the public choosing the winner. If they weren't I would be pretty confident that Ty would win.
Originally Posted by Aceon6
I have seen the light and now understand what everyone has seen in Ty over the course of this show. His comedy is funny and smart. I ordered his CD and look forward to listening to it. I love that this show has exposed me to many different types of comics, some that I would not have checked out otherwise.
But this poses a problem for me. I now really like all of the four remaining contestants and will be pissed no matter who leaves this week.
Back to this week: I thought the performances, generally, were much better than last week. I especially think Chris picked up his game and nailed the coskit routine. And I laughed so hard at one of Josh's jokes that I had to run and tell my wife all about it. It was a very good show.
Roz - I'm kind of glad that she was eliminated, but kinda sad too. I think her jokes are very funny, but she needs to lower her volume. That's the only thing keeping me from buying any stand-up CD she makes. But I do hope that LCS has increased her profile enough for her to be super successful. She deserves it.
Gary Whoever - I wasn't fond of the guy who opened the show. He wasn't really funny... but one of his jokes was almost funny. The joke I'm thinking of was the college student one. The part where a hot college girl tries to seduce the professor to improve her grades is an old cliche, but I liked the twist that he instead told her to write a paper. I really liked where the jokes was headed, but I think he dropped the ending. It was a good build-up, but there was no punch to it. It made me wonder if that was a true story. In my experience as a writer, if you use a true story you can end up married to the actual event. You want to make the story entertaining for your audience, but if the actual events aren't as entertaining as they need to be you should jazz it up. So, the joke was a good idea, but it might have been actually funny if he came up with a really great end.
Next episode - I'm excited for Caroline Rhea's performance. I always liked her. But I'm sad that someone has to leave when I think all of them are great.
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